Brexit

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I call BS on this, if my car park can tell me I left with out paying (There are no barriers it's all done by ANPR, and the machine said I didn't need to pay after entering my reg, then failed to give me a receipt) and has my details illegally supplied by the DVLA to the car park, then goverments can

It's not about the lorries, it's about what's inside it. If all we needed was to track licence plates then yes we would be fine.

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I call BS on this, if my car park can tell me I left with out paying (There are no barriers it's all done by ANPR, and the machine said I didn't need to pay after entering my reg, then failed to give me a receipt) and has my details illegally supplied by the DVLA to the car park, then goverments can

As stated earlier in this thread, ANPR technology would be part of the proposed high level buzzword bingo solution.

It’s not illegal for the DVLA to supply your details to the Car Park if they are members of British Parking Association or the International Parking Community.

https://www.gov.uk/request-information-from-dvla

You can ask DVLA for information about your vehicle or another vehicle and its registered keeper if you have a ‘reasonable cause’.

Information about another vehicle or its registered keeper
You can ask for details of another vehicle’s registered keeper. You’ll need a ‘reasonable cause’, for example:

- finding out who was responsible for an accident
- tracing the registered keeper of an abandoned vehicle
- tracing the registered keeper of a vehicle parked on private land
- giving out parking tickets
- giving out trespass charge notices
- tracing people responsible for driving off without paying for goods and services
- tracing people suspected of insurance fraud

Private car parking management companies that give out parking tickets or trespass charge notices can only request information from DVLA if they’re members of the British Parking Association or the International Parking Community.

Originally Posted by Damien

It's not about the lorries, it's about what's inside it. If all we needed was to track licence plates then yes we would be fine.

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Disagreeing with someone is not bullying. It is just not being in agreement with another.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Disagreeing with someone is not bullying. It is just not being in agreement with another.

Agreed. I think it degrades the serious issue of bullying by misrepresenting it in this way.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. I think it degrades the serious issue of bullying by misrepresenting it in this way.

So all they've done is to simply say they don't agree and haven't done anything to materially block it? They had plenty of chances to only say something, before and during the campaign.

Deliberately "standing in the way" of something or someone IS BULLYING.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So all they've done is to simply say they don't agree and haven't done anything to materially block it? They had plenty of chances to only say something, before and during the campaign.

Deliberately "standing in the way" of something or someone IS BULLYING.

MPs like Rees-Mogg, Arlene Foster and Vince Cable all opposed Theresa May's deal because they didn't agree with it. That's not bullying as there's no habitual aim to harm or intimidate the public.
"Bully. A person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable." OED

Originally Posted by nomadking

So all they've done is to simply say they don't agree and haven't done anything to materially block it? They had plenty of chances to only say something, before and during the campaign.

Deliberately "standing in the way" of something or someone IS BULLYING.

So, at a party, someone decides they find someone else attractive and decide they would like to initiate a relationship with them. They approach that person, state their intentions, and proceed with their amorous "moves".

The other person does not share the initiators feelings, and rebuffs their amourous inclinations - according to your logic, they are deliberately standing in the way or "bullying"...

You don’t agree with what I am saying - are you bullying me?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

How do you justify that slur?

They stand on a mandate; if the people support that mandate, they vote for the respective candidate. That is one of the principles of democracy.

As to "fifth column", what's wrong with standing on a platform that supports getting the UK out of the EU, or alternatively (no chance) of getting the EU reformed?

The anti-MEP candidates have stated aims to disrupt the working of the EU if elected. Many have clear wishes to see the destruction of the institution they wish to be become part of.

Since you see this as not an issue, let me reverse the scenario: Sinn Fein put their principles aside and take their seats in Westminster. These democratically elected MP's start motions declaring the British occupation of NI illegal. They refuse to represent the wishes and requests of any constituent who is not a Republican.

Yes, you would be first in line to applaud these individuals and support their right to denigrate our Parliament.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The anti-MEP candidates have stated aims to disrupt the working of the EU if elected. Many have clear wishes to see the destruction of the institution they wish to be become part of.

Since you see this as not an issue, let me reverse the scenario: Sinn Fein put their principles aside and take their seats in Westminster. These democratically elected MP's start motions declaring the British occupation of NI illegal. They refuse to represent the wishes and requests of any constituent who is not a Republican.

Yes, you would be first in line to applaud these individuals and support their right to denigrate our Parliament.

But its OK for remain MP's to do it.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by pip08456

But its OK for remain MP's to do it.

Example please ..

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

MPs like Rees-Mogg, Arlene Foster and Vince Cable all opposed Theresa May's deal because they didn't agree with it. That's not bullying as there's no habitual aim to harm or intimidate the public.
"Bully. A person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable." OED

The opposition from the ERG is for a relevant reason - the Withdrawal Agreement was not delivering Brexit, which was the democratic decision.

Arlene Foster for that reason and because of the impact of the backstop.

Vince Cable was not opposed to it for a legitimate democratic reason such as these. He opposed it because he wanted to overturn the democratic vote. He is the bully here, together with the other staunch remainers who are not prepared to accept the democratic decision.

I remain of the view that if the Withdrawal Agreement cannot gain the acceptance of Parliament, the UK should go for a 'no deal' and seek to have our current trade arrangements frozen until a deal is agreed with the EU.

[Mr K]

Vince Cable, a bully? Sorry, can't see it....

[ianch99]

Once UKIP started attracting the unsavory characters, Farage decided to divorce himself from UKIP and so the Brexit Party was formed. Of course, given what Farage represents, the new party has started to attract some members that even Farage will find difficult to justify.

There is of course George Galloway. Vote for the Brexit Party and you get George for free.

The more sinister new member is a certain Claire Fox. She was a former member of the Revolutionary Communist Party who when the IRA bombed Warrington in 1993 killing 2 children, she and her members issued the statement:

the right of the Irish people to take whatever measures necessary in their struggle for freedom”

Here's the kicker, she is standing for the BP in NW England which includes Warrington ...

More details here:

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/04/24/f...ht-hand-woman/

She also has other "interesting" views:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Claire_Fox

She has also been criticised for rejecting multiculturalism as divisive,[1] questioning the negative publicity surrounding genetically modified crops[12] and denying that there are any natural limits to human activity on the planet with her suggestion that everyone could be as rich as a multi-millionaire.[13]

In April 2019, Fox as Brexit Party candidate in the European elections for North-West England was criticised by the British Communist daily newspaper Morning Star (British newspaper) and Robert Griffiths (politician), General Secretary of the Communist Party of Britain for her view that the Government should not ban people from watching child porn and jihadi terrorist videos.[14]

So, when you put your name down next to the new saviours of democracy in the upcoming elections, think about what and who you are getting ..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Vince Cable, a bully? Sorry, can't see it....

Vince Cable was elected on a manifesto to oppose Brexit.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I remain of the view that if the Withdrawal Agreement cannot gain the acceptance of Parliament, the UK should go for a 'no deal' and seek to have our current trade arrangements frozen until a deal is agreed with the EU.

Any trade agreements we have by virtue of EU membership would end in such circumstances, they wouldn't be frozen.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Once UKIP started attracting the unsavory characters . . *snip* ..

Of course, all the other parties are full of Angelic, honest as the day's long, hard working and reputable people . . . . aren't they?