Brexit

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Dave42

you know know the backstop was a uk proposal right and a no deal breaks the good Friday agreement and US have warned if that broke no trade deal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.dad515e4d187

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An agreement on the backstop is important because the EU won't agree to a transitional period and substantive trade talks until it is in place.

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The EU originally proposed a backstop that would mean Northern Ireland staying in the EU customs union, large parts of the single market and the EU VAT system.
Its chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, continually emphasised that this backstop could only apply to Northern Ireland.

The real sticking point is the "to apply unless and until an alternative arrangement implementing another scenario is agreed,", which means we are held hostage by the EU. How inept can you get?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by nomadking

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The real sticking point is the "to apply unless and until an alternative arrangement implementing another scenario is agreed,", which means we are held hostage by the EU. How inept can you get?

that's the problem no one has any workable idea yet for alternative arrangement the biggest problem with Brexit always has been and still is the Ireland border

The Ireland border is just a pathetic scapegoat for Remainers to use.

No-one wants a hard border, no-ones going to build one, not Ireland, not Northern Ireland, not the EU, not the UK. See - how easy was that ?

Originally Posted by Mick

The Ireland border is just a pathetic scapegoat for Remainers to use.

No-one wants a hard border, no-ones going to build one, not Ireland, not Northern Ireland, not the EU, not the UK. See - how easy was that ?

What about the imports and exports, with phylosanitary certificates and potential future taxation and H&S differences?

How will they be checked?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

What about the imports and exports, with phylosanitary certificates and potential future taxation and H&S differences?

How will they be checked?

You mean like horse meat coming from Romania and Ireland?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

The Ireland border is just a pathetic scapegoat for Remainers to use.

No-one wants a hard border, no-ones going to build one, not Ireland, not Northern Ireland, not the EU, not the UK. See - how easy was that ?

we be out by now if Ireland border was solved and easy it aint easy that's why we still in at moment

Originally Posted by Dave42

we be out by now if Ireland border was solved and easy it aint easy that's why we still in at moment

Wrong as usual - we are still in, because of the worst Parliament since Oliver Cromwell, worst PM since Anthony Eden and a pathetic, set of self serving fools, majority of them AKA MPs.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

What about the imports and exports, with phylosanitary certificates and potential future taxation and H&S differences?

How will they be checked?

By the same token, you'd rather we remain in the EU under their cosh and jurisdiction?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wrong as usual - we are still in, because of the worst Parliament since Oliver Cromwell, worst PM since Anthony Eden and a pathetic, set of self serving fools, majority of them AKA MPs.

Is it fair to presume that at the last general election, like the referendum, people knew exactly what they were voting for? If yes, then the general population must be culpable at least to some extent as the current government is only in place due to the will of the people?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Is it fair to presume that at the last general election, like the referendum, people knew exactly what they were voting for? If yes, then the general population must be culpable at least to some extent as the current government is only in place due to the will of the people?

There's a certain irony to what you've written.

I can see where you're coming from and it's a worthwhile point. As I understand you, if the Leavers are saying that their Referendum voters knew what they were voting for the same is true of voters when voting at the General Election.

In this comparison, however, there are different forces.

The Referendum was a binary question.

The election was a different kind of question with different boundaries.

What they both had in common after the event was that the electorate didn't expect the guvmin to screw up so miserably on both fronts.

[ianch99]

It is depressing when Sinn Fein have more principles and honesty than the Brexit/UKIP political entity. Putting yourself forward in an democratic election as self-avowed fifth columnists is just gutter politics.

Here's the Code of Conduct for Members of the European Parliament

Members shall act solely in the public interest and conduct their work with disinterest, integrity, openness, diligence, honesty, accountability and respect for the European Parliament's reputation.

Mr Farage and his cohorts to a tee!

I wouldn't be surprised if, before long, Farage will deploys his fascist scare tactics in the upcoming EU elections.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

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Mr Farage and his cohorts to a tee!

I wouldn't be surprised if, before long, Farage will deploys his fascist scare tactics in the upcoming EU elections.

[You shouldn't brand Farage as "fascist" unless you can prove it. And I mean, prove it.

Can you even define "Fascism"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

By the same token, you'd rather we remain in the EU under their cosh and jurisdiction?

By the same token, I’d rather be part of a larger organisation of states working together to improve the quality of life of its citizens and economies of the participants countries, using its greater economic and political heft.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

By the same token, I’d rather be part of a larger organisation of states working together to improve the quality of life of its citizens and economies of the participants countries, using its greater economic and political heft.

The likes of Romania are never, no matter how much money you give them, going to match Germany.


All Germany seems to do is want to IMPOSE on everybody else, the burdens it imposes upon itself. All in the name of a "level playing field". An EU country is not allowed to have different policies that might be beneficial to it.

[gba93]

Originally Posted by Hugh

By the same token, I’d rather be part of a larger organisation of states working together to improve the quality of life of its citizens and economies of the participants countries, using its greater economic and political heft.

If only that were true - back in the day we joined the EEC which was an economic community designed to achieve what you have described - unfortunately it became more political, less representative, more invasive and developed into a massive gravy train which is not what a lot of people who originally voted IN wanted hence the majority of the current NO voters are of the older generation. So it appears that there are many people who do not want to "remain in the EU under their cosh and jurisdiction" because that is what they see happening.