Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hugh's post does address the issues. Click on the thumbnail he posted to see a list of the flaws in the clip.

Far better to spend your time on an authoritative programme.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...ange-the-facts

You suck it all in, Andrew. But where is the evidence that mankind is responsible for any climate changes that may be happening?

I am not prepared to be told by scientists what to think when they haven't actually proved their theory.

They've got it wrong before....

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Instead of looking at the background from which people come, would it not be a better idea to actually listen to what they are saying?

No, of course, because that would expose the futility of your arguments.

Address the post, and stop trying to divert attention from the truth.

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So, your practical solution is what?

Come on, Hugh, this is not a straight forward matter. Before you pump billions into a proposal, you need to make the case.

Given that even the scientists admit that they cannot be 100% sure that global warming is man-made, you really do need to keep an open mind.

Background provides context, unless you don’t believe people rationally act in their own financial interests. I know you do believe people act in their financial interests because you believe many would leave the UK if we closed tax loopholes rather than make a greater contribution.

So how is denying climate change any different for your rational capitalist?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You suck it all in, Andrew. But where is the evidence that mankind is responsible for any climate changes that may be happening?

I am not prepared to be told by scientists what to think when they haven't actually proved their theory.

They've got it wrong before....

If you want to fall for the misinformation spread by the fossil fuel lobby like others fell for the misinformation spread by the tobacco lobby then there's little I can do to help.
If you are prepared to open your mind then watch the Attenborough programme.

[papa smurf]

When i look to the sky's and see that all holiday and none essential air traffic has been banned and the middle class moaners have stopped burning millions of gallons of kerosene [fossil fuel] going on holiday jaunts around the globe then and only then will i consider doing my bit.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You suck it all in, Andrew. But where is the evidence that mankind is responsible for any climate changes that may be happening?

I am not prepared to be told by scientists what to think when they haven't actually proved their theory.

They've got it wrong before....

Yes, them scientists tell me the World's round too. Bonkers or what ?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

When i look to the sky's and see that all holiday and none essential air traffic has been banned and the middle class moaners have stopped burning millions of gallons of kerosene [fossil fuel] going on holiday jaunts around the globe then and only then will i consider doing my bit.

About sums it up for me too

Why should I turn my heating/water down and turn lights off when half the people in the street are jetting off across the world for a holiday . . .

. . . and what about those constantly running 4 TV's, 3 laptops, dishwashers, blah blah etc

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You suck it all in, Andrew. But where is the evidence that mankind is responsible for any climate changes that may be happening?

I am not prepared to be told by scientists what to think when they haven't actually proved their theory.

They've got it wrong before....

Funny how people trust experts when it comes to medicine, engineering, buildings, but not on this...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Funny how people trust experts when it comes to medicine, engineering, buildings, but not on this...

Not really, but don't get me started!

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Funny how people trust experts when it comes to medicine, engineering, buildings, but not on this...

That's because those things have usually been well and truly proven. Climate Change is based upon projections based upon models that are constantly being altered to match the actual facts.


Eg Several years ago claims were made that the trees in New York state would halve in ten years due to man-made acid rain. 10 years later a report found that it didn't happen, and that most of the acid rain came from natural sources.



In the early 1980's there were claims that Europe was heading for another Ice Age. Whatever happened to that?


Now that they've latched onto "Climate Change", they can make claims with a wide range of predictions that almost cannot fail to happen.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

That's because those things have usually been well and truly proven. Climate Change is based upon projections based upon models that are constantly being altered to match the actual facts.

Eg Several years ago claims were made that the trees in New York state would halve in ten years due to man-made acid rain. 10 years later a report found that it didn't happen, and that most of the acid rain came from natural sources.

In the early 1980's there were claims that Europe was heading for another Ice Age. Whatever happened to that?

Now that they've latched onto "Climate Change", they can make claims with a wide range of predictions that almost cannot fail to happen.

Climate change is accepted as fact by all but a few. It's now a case of seeing how we can tackle it before it's too late for future generations.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Climate change is accepted as fact by all but a few. It's now a case of seeing how we can tackle it before it's too late for future generations.

The fact that we are not in an Ice Age is evidence that there is Climate Change. Climate Change is responsible for creating an environment where life can develop and flourish. The questions are how much is Man responsible for it, how much of their "evidence" is a load of tosh, and how much can the Earth actually deal with it and reverse the effects all by itself.

In 2014, a group of IPCC experts published a paper about flooding. So far, they said, ‘no gauge-based evidence has been found for a climate-driven, globally widespread change in the magnitude/frequency of floods.’

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

When i look to the sky's and see that all holiday and none essential air traffic has been banned and the middle class moaners have stopped burning millions of gallons of kerosene [fossil fuel] going on holiday jaunts around the globe then and only then will i consider doing my bit.

I'm sure you're doing lots of positive things already - repairing appliances as opposed to throwing them out, eating all the food that you buy and going by boat and not plane!

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The fact that we are not in an Ice Age is evidence that there is Climate Change. Climate Change is responsible for creating an environment where life can develop and flourish. The questions are how much is Man responsible for it, how much of their "evidence" is a load of tosh, and how much can the Earth actually deal with it and reverse the effects all by itself.

Do you have a link to the report you mentioned?

[Carth]

Experts . . off the top of my head:

Go to work on an egg . . . . . don't eat eggs they're bad for you

Drink a pint of milk a day . . . . . milk is bad for you

Buy diesel cars, they're much better for the enviro . . . oh hang on

. . . and don't get me started on Doctors either

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm sure you're doing lots of positive things already - repairing appliances as opposed to throwing them out, eating all the food that you buy and going by boat and not plane!

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Do you have a link to the report you mentioned?

Tricky to find the original report as the quote of "no gauge-based evidence" is mentioned in so many articles on climate change. Are they all fibbing?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Tricky to find the original report as the quote of "no gauge-based evidence" is mentioned in so many articles on climate change. Are they all fibbing?

Until I see what you mean I can't say.