Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Now, that is a really good, informative article which does answer my question. Thanks very much for that, Hugh.

Hopefully you've deepened your knowledge and you now agree with 97% of scientists.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hopefully you've deepened your knowledge and you now agree with 97% of scientists.

Scientists is a bit of a push.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Scientists is a bit of a push.

Not that much of a push though. That 97% figure comes from this paper - https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...1/4/048002/pdf

Contributors to that figure come from surveys of literature published by earth and climate scientists as well as direct surveying. Figure 1 shows the correlation between expertise in climate science and the consensus on human-caused climate change.

[Mr K]

11 years left to save the planet. If we don't do something radical by 2030 we'll be past the point of no return. Will we do anything or will we still be waffling on about Brexit and other piffling issues ?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

11 years left to save the planet. If we don't do something radical by 2030 we'll be past the point of no return. Will we do anything or will we still be waffling on about Brexit and other piffling issues ?

Quite a hyperbolized exaggeration even by your standards Mr K.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

Quite a hyperbolized exaggeration even by your standards Mr K.

Not mine Den,. the United Nations.
http://time.com/5418134/ipcc-climate...t-2030-crisis/

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

11 years left to save the planet. If we don't do something radical by 2030 we'll be past the point of no return. Will we do anything or will we still be waffling on about Brexit and other piffling issues ?

Which of course ignores the uncomfortable fact that the planet was hotter than that in the past and has since cooled.

Let's look on the bright side. As we crash out of the EU, we won't have to go to Spain any more to get our sun tans. Good, or what?

Bowie said five years. Now they're saying 11 years. Must be doing something right...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Which of course ignores the uncomfortable fact that the planet was hotter than that in the past and has since cooled.

Let's look on the bright side. As we crash out of the EU, we won't have to go to Spain any more to get our sun tans. Good, or what?

Bowie said five years. Now they're saying 11 years. Must be doing something right...

World of difference between natural and man made climate change. The rate of change is far faster than any natural occurrence there's been.

Guess some won't be convinced until it personally affects them. Symbolic of most of the failings in society. Sod anybody else or future generations all that matters is me and my sun tan today.....

( p.s. don't think Bowie was a climate change scientist)

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

World of difference between natural and man made climate change. The rate of change is far faster than any natural occurrence there's been.

Guess some won't be convinced until it personally affects them. Symbolic of most of the failings in society. Sod anybody else or future generations all that matters is me and my sun tan today.....

( p.s. don't think Bowie was a climate change scientist)

Does that include the rate of cooling that took place in the mini ice-age, Mr K?

[tweetiepooh]

I don't think it matters too much how we are affecting climate, if we can do something to help we should. Even if our impact is small and what we are seeing is part of a natural cycle we can reduce our impact.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Which of course ignores the uncomfortable fact that the planet was hotter than that in the past and has since cooled.

Let's look on the bright side. As we crash out of the EU, we won't have to go to Spain any more to get our sun tans. Good, or what?

Bowie said five years. Now they're saying 11 years. Must be doing something right...

Why not look at it this way:

If you're right and the majority of the scientists are wrong then the result of reducing emissions, switching to cleaner renewable energy and generally reducing our impact on the environment will be cleaner air and a more scalable way of meeting human needs for energy.

If they're right and you're wrong then we've damaged the environment and imperilled the living conditions for future generations.

Since we don't have the ability to conduct an experiment to see categorically what will happen in the future surely it's best to go with option one. If we're wrong then the world is no worse a place really, if we're right then future generations will thank us.


That I said I suspect the fact it's future generations that'll be impacted is the real reason for the lack of urgency. This isn't a society which has placed long-term thinking ahead of immediate gratification.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Why not look at it this way:

If you're right and the majority of the scientists are wrong then the result of reducing emissions, switching to cleaner renewable energy and generally reducing our impact on the environment will be cleaner air and a more scalable way of meeting human needs for energy.

If they're right and you're wrong then we've damaged the environment and imperilled the living conditions for future generations.

Since we don't have the ability to conduct an experiment to see categorically what will happen in the future surely it's best to go with option one. If we're wrong then the world is no worse a place really, if we're right then future generations will thank us.

The carbon traders will say anything to ensure this nice little earner continues for as long as possible.


That I said I suspect the fact it's future generations that'll be impacted is the real reason for the lack of urgency. This isn't a society which has placed long-term thinking ahead of immediate gratification.

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What this ignores is the billions upon billions that are being spent on what may not be a problem in the first place.

Sustainable energy should be with us anyway in 50 years because by then we will have mastered the science of nuclear fusion. I don't buy the stories that are being spread about this being an emergency. Both global temperatures and carbon have been much higher in the past, and there was nothing exponential about that.

The carbon traders will say practically anything to maintain their nice little earner industry.

[Rexz]

The thing I don't get is why are these protesters not protesting in other parts of the world that contribute with a higher percentage to 'global warming'? I was listening to someone on the radio that said that we can't blame countries like china that output vast amounts of pollution because we buy their products but if these countries are exploiting their own people to compete with the other 'cleaner' countries to produce cheaper products, how can you write that off and say it is the consumer that is at fault.

I totally agree that the UK should keep up its efforts in minimising pollution but the net contributors will just continue to pollute and in a world that is growing smaller and smaller, with an ever growing dependence on creating wealth, nothing will change.

[Carth]

Are there any trees left in the Amazon Basin . . .

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Rexz

The thing I don't get is why are these protesters not protesting in other parts of the world that contribute with a higher percentage to 'global warming'? I was listening to someone on the radio that said that we can't blame countries like china that output vast amounts of pollution because we buy their products but if these countries are exploiting their own people to compete with the other 'cleaner' countries to produce cheaper products, how can you write that off and say it is the consumer that is at fault.

I totally agree that the UK should keep up its efforts in minimising pollution but the net contributors will just continue to pollute and in a world that is growing smaller and smaller, with an ever growing dependence on creating wealth, nothing will change.

Got it in one. Our record on this is pretty good in comparison with just about anywhere else. Any excuse to take to the streets and cause trouble.

It's not just about wealth, though. It is a lack of sensible regulation in some of these countries.