Brexit

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 007stuart

So was a certain WW1 German Corporal and look at the "trouble" he caused.

Any comparison with Adolf, is again in poor taste, incorrect and doesn’t help you.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Any comparison with Adolf, is again in poor taste, incorrect and doesn’t help you.

Agree entirely. Comparison with Adolf is the height of shallow thought.

[Mr K]

Farage is more Oswald Mosley.

[denphone]

Personally l cannot stick Nigel Farage but he is what l would describe as a populist politician who thrives on being on the side of the underdog of the British political scene..

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Any comparison with Adolf, is again in poor taste, incorrect and doesn’t help you.

Agreed - didn't Adolph want a European super stake (of sorts)? Don't feel you can say that about about Nige

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Agreed - didn't Adolph want a European super stake (of sorts)? Don't feel you can say that about about Nige

Well Churchill wanted a United States of Europe....

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Farage is more Oswald Mosley.

Gratuitous and unsubstantiable insults like that lower your high esteem in this forum.

Mosley would have seen British and refugee Jews into German gas chambers; he would have been Hitler's Quisling.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well Churchill wanted a United States of Europe....

... which he didn’t see the UK being a part of.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What's the best way to beat him?

Farage is not popular. There is a reason the official Leave campaign didn't want to use him and why he has failed to be elected 6/7 times. He has some loyal support spread out thinly across the country.

He has represented relatively popular positions though and even if the supporters of those positions think it is a poor cheerleader for them he has often been the only outlet for them. There were plenty of Leave supporters who has distain for Farage's dog whistling xenophobia but UKIP were the only option if the matter of the EU was their main political concern. Just as Corbyn isn't popular but is the only option for many who want higher taxation, higher public spending and to end benefit cuts.

I don't really think he needs to be 'beaten', it's just a matter of continuing to argue against those positions and to not get drawn into Farage's ego-trip whilst doing so.

Originally Posted by Damien

Farage is not popular. There is a reason the official Leave campaign didn't want to use him and why he has failed to be elected 6/7 times. He has some loyal support spread out thinly across the country.

He has represented relatively popular positions though and even if the supporters of those positions think it is a poor cheerleader for them he has often been the only outlet for them.

I don't really think he needs to be 'beaten', it's just a matter of continuing to argue against those positions and to not get drawn into Farage's ego-trip whilst doing so.

On the contrary, Farage is popular. He’s just not quite popular enough to win a first past the post Westminster election. He is also marmite ... relatively few people are ambivalent towards him. It’s love or hate. There was no way he could ever win over the soft middle ground in the referendum. That was down to Boris, with his appeal further broadened by a couple of accessible Labour leavers like Gisela Stuart and Frank Field. Yet it’s fairly clear there was, at some level, an understanding that the official leave campaign would leave Farage alone to do dog whistle campaigning among those who do like him.

The EU elections are proportional, but given the number of seats available the proportionality is only rough and smaller parties can still lose out. So a lot will depend on how far the Leave vote splits between The Brexit Party (Farage) and UKIP (now infested with BNP and EDL entryists and other assorted nut jobs).

The Brexit Party wouldn’t stand a chance with anyone else in charge but with Farage front and centre, his appeal to the bulk of the Brexit-minded electorate shouldn’t be underestimated.

My votes will go to the party that stands on decent principles, and does not bring race in to the mix. While UKIP had some policies like this under Farage, I could never vote UKIP, and certainly not now under it’s shift to far right.

The Brexit Party will get my votes. I don’t hate Farage. Not always agreed with him.

But with my vote, along with many others, I want to send a clear message to the Brexit blockers in parliament. That us Brexiteers, will not just sit back and allow the biggest democratic vote in history to be ignored. The UK democratically decided to leave the European Union and leave we must. The country does not need to be in the EU to trade, the membership is a con job. So if voting for another political party gets the job of leaving done, then so be it.

I’m pretty sure other passionate leavers will do the same, Remainers are in for a rude awakening, if they think us Brexiteers will just accept this disgusting ignorance to a Democratic decision and move on.

And already, early voting intensions show Brexit Party will do very well in European elections. Heavily beating Liberal Democrat’s, Green Party and the ChUkers. Who are all Anti-Brexit. This highlighting that Britain has not changed it’s mind on leaving the EU.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

On the contrary, Farage is popular. He’s just not quite popular enough to win a first past the post Westminster election. He is also marmite ... relatively few people are ambivalent towards him. It’s love or hate. There was no way he could ever win over the soft middle ground in the referendum. That was down to Boris, with his appeal further broadened by a couple of accessible Labour leavers like Gisela Stuart and Frank Field. Yet it’s fairly clear there was, at some level, an understanding that the official leave campaign would leave Farage alone to do dog whistle campaigning among those who do like him.

The EU elections are proportional, but given the number of seats available the proportionality is only rough and smaller parties can still lose out. So a lot will depend on how far the Leave vote splits between The Brexit Party (Farage) and UKIP (now infested with BNP and EDL entryists and other assorted nut jobs).

The Brexit Party wouldn’t stand a chance with anyone else in charge but with Farage front and centre, his appeal to the bulk of the Brexit-minded electorate shouldn’t be underestimated.

This time, though, it's different. Many voters tend to stick fairly consistently with one party. If an EU election takes place here, an angry public is likely to ditch their normal loyalties and vote for the Brexit Party. That will be an unmistakeable message to Parliament to stop fiddling around and get on with the job of leaving.

EU Parliament voting intention (10-11 April)

Lab - 24%
Con - 16%
Brexit Party- 15%
UKIP - 14%
Lib Dem - 8%
Green - 8%
Change UK - 7%
SNP/Plaid - 6%
Other - 1%

Yougov.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

EU Parliament voting intention (10-11 April)

Lab - 24%
Con - 16%
Brexit Party- 15%
UKIP - 14%
Lib Dem - 8%
Green - 8%
Change UK - 7%
SNP/Plaid - 6%
Other - 1%

Yougov.

So the most popular party is the one with the vaguest Brexit policy!

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 32% (+1)
CON: 28% (-4)
LDEM: 11% (-1)
BREX: 8% (+3)
UKIP: 6% (-1)
CHUK: 3% (+3)
GRN: 3% (-1)

via
@YouGov
, 10 - 11 Apr
Chgs. w/ 03 Apr

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

So the most popular party is the one with the vaguest Brexit policy!

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 32% (+1)
CON: 28% (-4)
LDEM: 11% (-1)
BREX: 8% (+3)
UKIP: 6% (-1)
CHUK: 3% (+3)
GRN: 3% (-1)

via
@YouGov
, 10 - 11 Apr
Chgs. w/ 03 Apr

Interesting to see which party will be the most unhappy come polling night.