Brexit

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

Forget their mental health. What about the country?

Whether we are leavers or remainers. I’m not sure the country can take another 6 months of this shit. May needs to go, call an election, hold a second referendum so leave can win again, I don’t care. Just end this vicious circle ⭕️ .

l am pretty sure all of us will be glad when the day comes where Brexit will not be mentioned much anymore and nobody is posting in this thread anymore and we can all start to air our thoughts about some other subject other then Brexit.

[tweetiepooh]

Nah! It will be like 1966, who ever wins will replay the whole contest blow by boring blow. How they were down and nearly out when some "substitute" rises from the benches and leads us to glorious victory. Films will be made about it. The losers will have their stories as well, endless papers on how things could be better if only.

Originally Posted by Mick

Forget their mental health. What about the country?

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Having people who decide these things being completely burnt out and under an acute degree of stress is probably not best for the country.

Originally Posted by Damien

Having people who decide these things being completely burnt out and under an acute degree of stress is probably not best for the country.

Of course but I have zero sympathy for MPs.

[jfman]

I, for once, agree with Mick here. MPs and Government have collectively failed to deliver one way or the other and insist on kicking the can down the road. I also doubt many of them are heavily involved other than their votes at the end of the day.

If MPs want a referendum they should vote for it (however directed by Corbyn). If they want to back May’s deal because it’s the best on offer they should do that too.

I think we on the outside can easily underestimate the stress MPs are under, they are only human in the end. As well as these stressful decisions on Brexit they're having to deal with splits within their parties where they're falling out with friends, some of them are getting death threats, they're having panic alarms installed, they're away from their families, these votes run late into the night all whilst there has been a constant ticking clock hanging over them of these deadlines.

It's a pressure cooker at the moment so it can't hurt for a time out.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think we on the outside can easily underestimate the stress MPs are under, they are only human in the end. As well as these stressful decisions on Brexit they're having to deal with splits within their parties where they're falling out with friends, some of them are getting death threats, they're having panic alarms installed, they're away from their families, these votes run late into the night all whilst there has been a constant ticking clock hanging over them of these deadlines.

It's a pressure cooker at the moment so it can't hurt for a time out.

l agree it is stressful and a break will do them all good but l dare say there are millions out there under even more stress trying to make ends meet on a constant basis.

I recommend listening to this podcast: https://play.acast.com/s/timesredbox...imandworsening

For all the MPs who are using this for their own personal careers and egos the majority of them are mere backbenchers dealing with all of this.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s catching:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bour-live-news

1.53 from Mark Francois

“If you now try to hold on to us against our will, you will be facing Perfidious Albion on speed. It would therefore be much better for all our sakes if we were to pursue our separate destinies, in a spirit of mutual respect.”

I don't think parliament has ever seen a bigger prat than him and that's saying something with bozo and Corbyn sat there, every time that berk opens his mouth he damages the leave cause

Originally Posted by Mick

Forget their mental health. What about the country?

Whether we are leavers or remainers. I’m not sure the country can take another 6 months of this shit. May needs to go, call an election, hold a second referendum so leave can win again, I don’t care. Just end this vicious circle ⭕️ .

I'd disagree if I thought the delay would change anything but it'll be ground hog day in six months time and I also agree that leave would win again, with a bigger margin to probably

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

FFS- How many more times do I have to say the WA concocted by the Remainers in Government and the EU, it is not Brexit. Have you actually read the agreement ?

It is an agreement, only a country would only agree to, if it has been defeated in war.

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Absolutely. Let’s get the hell out of this cancerous EU. Stop paying £50 Million a day for this con job membership and start trading on WTO terms. AND ignore all the pathetic fear mongering bullshit from the other side that has lied from day one and got all negative predictions totally wrong so far. Simples.

the WA aint gonna change one bit EU said that million times it got us out of CU SM and ECJ isn't that what leavers wanted you gonna get much softer Brexit now or a no Brexit at all so would you rather have that than leave

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Dave42

the WA aint gonna change one bit EU said that million times it got us out of CU SM and ECJ isn't that what leavers wanted you gonna get much softer Brexit now or a no Brexit at all so would you rather have that than leave

The WA simply extends the CU, SM, ECJ until end Dec 2020. After that the CU would still be in place unless the EU through the kindness of its heart, let's us leave over the NI border issue.

Article 6
1. Until the future relationship becomes applicable, a single customs territory between the Union
and the United Kingdom shall be established ("the single customs territory"). Accordingly,
Northern Ireland is in the same customs territory as Great Britain.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The WA simply extends the CU, SM, ECJ until end Dec 2020. After that the CU would still be in place unless the EU through the kindness of its heart, let's us leave over the NI border issue.

that's to make sure in law the good Friday agreement aint broke which the UK signed and is international law

[nomadking]

It should be pointed out to the EU, that if we leave without any transitional arrangements(ie the WA), then it is no different to the WA ending without alternative arrangement in Dec 2020. So what are the EU complaining about? If the backstop hadn't been there in the WA in the first place, it would have got through Parliament.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

It should be pointed out to the EU, that if we leave without any transitional arrangements(ie the WA), then it is no different to the WA ending without alternative arrangement in Dec 2020. So what are the EU complaining about? If the backstop hadn't been there in the WA in the first place, it would have got through Parliament.

Surely the EU's proposal was that the Withdrawal Agreement doesn't end in NI unless the replacement arrangements lead to no border honouring the Good Friday Agreement aka the backstop.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Surely the EU's proposal was that the Withdrawal Agreement doesn't end in NI unless the replacement arrangements lead to no border honouring the Good Friday Agreement aka the backstop.

See the quoted section in post #1511. That is the "backstop".

Laws and disputes

The UK will remain under European Court of Justice (ECJ) jurisdiction during the transition.

• A joint UK-EU committee will be set up to try to resolve any disputes on the interpretation of the withdrawal agreement.
• If the backstop is triggered and the UK forms a single customs territory with the EU, the ECJ will not be able to resolve disputes between the UK and EU directly.
• Instead, the whole dispute resolution procedure will be backed up by an arbitration panel. However, if any dispute rests on the interpretation of EU law, the arbitration panel refers the case to the ECJ for a binding decision.