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I said it before, I would find a 2nd Referendum fascinating. The question is key though.
It has to be binary, and it should be Leave or Remain, but critically Leave should be defined as Leaving the Single Market, CU and ECJ jurisdiction.
No one could accuse anyone else of not knowing what they were voting for if we did do it again that's for sure, in fact I doubt there could be any complaints at all when leave won again.
Anyone seen our old pal with the clock, wondered what time it was saying now that's all
It's comedy gold, Dave! We used to entertain the world with "Only Fools and Horses". Now we entertain the world with only our fools!
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Thoughtful and incisive article from Sky News. Excerpt here.
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She has, perhaps for the first time, accepted changes in her Brexit strategy. For once, something has changed.
She is making it clearer that she will not permit no deal.
She is, for the first time, attempting to nationalise Brexit by reaching out to Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party, and making it clear that the political declaration, our future relationship, is up for grabs.
And she went further, saying that if she and Mr Corbyn cannot reach agreement then she will hand over the job to parliament to try to reach a decision on the future relationship.
She has accepted a further extension of Article 50 might be necessary.
Rhetorically, the shift is starker still. Having previously tried only to keep the Conservative Party together, to exclude the rest of parliament, she talked now of national unity, in the national interest.
At the eleventh hour, for those who have long wanted her to transcend party interest and talk only of country, she has finally done so.
But the true test of statecraft is in deeds, not words. We are yet to see if she will compromise on her fabled red lines, yet to see if she is truly prepared to lessen Conservative Party objectives.
Much will depend on the attitude of Jeremy Corbyn. He will likely find it hard to resist his party's demand that any deal is put back to the people in a ratification referendum.
If she’s going anyway why not make the price of backing the deal a general election? She gets her deal, Corbyn takes them to the cleaners and gets to lead the country into his socialist utopia.
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So that's it then, game over and we stay in the EU. Parliament & the EU have re-written the rules of engagement . .
My gas bill is due at the end of the month, I'm delaying it . . . along with the electric bill . . well they're both foreign owned so I can do that now . . goose/gander etc
I might even tell her Her Majesty's Government that there may be a 'transitional period' during which my tax and national insurance payments need letters of clarification - in triplicate - signed by the President of our glorious masters the EU
screw em . . .
*pats himself on the head for not using any of the many many swear words screaming to be let loose*
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
Lets take you flag waving party politics out of it for once OB..
I will if you and your buddies do, Den.
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Originally Posted by denphone
Its a mess that could easily have been avoided if compromise rather then bear pit ideological party politics was used a little bit more.
Trouble is, Den, that compromise would have meant no end to freedom of movement, acceptance of the customs union which we thought we were getting out of and basically taking away the advantages of leaving to such an extent that we would be better off staying in.
So let's not flag wave for Labour and the other opposition parties without actually appreciating that Labour is reneging on its manifesto commitment and betraying the will of the electorate in terms of their majority vote in the referendum.
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