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Pierre · 02-04-2019, 19:24

European election, no Brexit.

Mr Farage, is back in business.

jfman · 02-04-2019, 19:26

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The SOLE purpose of a 2nd referendum is to bully people and overturn the referendum. The only options being allowed are NO Brexit or NO Brexit.

Polls showed large scale support for Brexit LONG BEFORE any referendum campaign.

If you're going bring up so-called illegal funding then that would rule out any election that Labour have been involved in for who knows how many decades. There was over £650,000 in ILLEGAL donations from just one person via ILLEGAL third parties. Even Gordon Brown appeared to know about it, because he refused donations to him personally from those third parties, because knew there was actually a different person supplying the actual money. There was over £1m in donations in order to have a certain law passed. That is before you get into union funding and dodgy MP selection practices, eg people being signed up as party members when they had no idea of it.

It's an opportunity to say look, we have all the facts, we've seen the deal and we support this action. Why wouldn't someone so positive that public opinion is against the EU support such an action?

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Originally Posted by Pierre

European election, no Brexit.

Mr Farage, is back in business.

His pension is a small price to pay for the economic prosperity that comes from freedom of movement of people, goods and services across the Single Market. Good luck to him I say. I'm a democrat.

**Damien** · 02-04-2019, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Pierre

European election, no Brexit.

Mr Farage, is back in business.

If May's plan comes together we'll be out before the European Election.

jfman · 02-04-2019, 19:39

The fact nobody has resigned tells me this is a trap for Corbyn. May making decisions and cabinet resignations go hand in hand.

Corbyn should just say he will back the same compromises they backed yesterday, and he will support the Government if they put them forward.

Dave42 · 02-04-2019, 19:42

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My instinct is that this is a trap. When that statement started, I was impressed by the tone and the content. But the giveaway is at the end, when she says withdrawal bill must be passed by May 22nd.

he spot on

denphone · 02-04-2019, 19:42

Corbyn has told the Press Association.

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We will meet the prime minister. We recognise that she has made a move, I recognise my responsibility to represent the people that supported Labour in the last election and the people who didn’t support Labour but nevertheless want certainty and security for their own future and that’s the basis on which we will meet her and we will have those discussions.

**Damien** · 02-04-2019, 19:46

I don't see how it's a trap personally. What's in it for her now? She has detonated her own party all behind this plan and even if no agreement is found she'll go with whatever commands a majority in Parliament.

Dave42 · 02-04-2019, 19:48

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I don't see how it's a trap personally. What's in it for her now? She has detonated her own party all behind this plan and even if no agreement is found she'll go with whatever commands a majority in Parliament.

so the tories can blame labour for her deal not getting passed by parliament or stopping Brexit that's the trap as James Cleverly already did on twitter other day he forgetting of course lots in his party voted against too

OLD BOY · 02-04-2019, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Damien

I don't see how it's a trap personally. What's in it for her now? She has detonated her own party all behind this plan and even if no agreement is found she'll go with whatever commands a majority in Parliament.

She can blame the whole thing on Corbyn!

Dave42 · 02-04-2019, 19:54

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She can blame the whole thing on Corbyn!

this is a totally a tory mess

OLD BOY · 02-04-2019, 20:07

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this is a totally a tory mess

Well, this is something you can blame on the Conservatives, Labour, Parliament or the electorate, you choose!

The funny thing is, no-one seems to be blaming the EU anymore, despite their red line over the backstop!

denphone · 02-04-2019, 20:12

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She can blame the whole thing on Corbyn!

Lets take you flag waving party politics out of it for once OB..

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this is a totally a tory mess

Its a mess that could easily have been avoided if compromise rather then bear pit ideological party politics was used a little bit more.

Dave42 · 02-04-2019, 20:17

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Lets take you flag waving party politics out of it for once OB..

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Its a mess that could easily have been avoided if compromise rather then bear pit ideological party politics was used a little bit more.

totally agree Den

Pierre · 02-04-2019, 20:43

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It's an opportunity to say look, we have all the facts, we've seen the deal and we support this action. Why wouldn't someone so positive that public opinion is against the EU support such an action?.

I said it before, I would find a 2nd Referendum fascinating. The question is key though.

It has to be binary, and it should be Leave or Remain, but critically Leave should be defined as Leaving the Single Market, CU and ECJ jurisdiction.

**Damien** · 02-04-2019, 20:50

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She can blame the whole thing on Corbyn!

What does she care though? This is her final act in politics. She could keep her party largely together but she has chosen this path instead.

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I said it before, I would find a 2nd Referendum fascinating. The question is key though.

It has to be binary, and it should be Leave or Remain, but critically Leave should be defined as Leaving the Single Market, CU and ECJ jurisdiction.

I have never really been fully on board with a 2nd referendum but even less so in the last few weeks. I think when you consider the mood of the country, the chaos in Parliament and the sheer sanity of us all then another referendum will do us no good at all. Anything that avoids tearing the country further apart is a good thing at the moment.

The only option worse than a referendum is no deal IMO. I really hope a consensus is found.