Brexit

I agree. This isn’t a bluff - we have reached the end of the road. There will be no more talking. We either take the deal on offer or walk away.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Chris

If the Commons rejects MV3, or Bercow refuses to allow it to be debated, then we leave with No Deal in 9 days.

Bring it on.

Indeed . . and if we had decided on a 'no deal' exit a year or so ago we would be in a better position, and much of this tomfoolery and ridiculous political posturing wouldn't have happened.

I’m really looking forward to hearing Labour, the SNP, the TIGgers and the Lib Dems squeal. For all their complaints about May’s indecision, their entire strategy has rested on preventing any decisions being taken until a referendum could be secured. Now they have to be seen to back May, or back No Deal, or be spineless abstainers - which will feature heavily on every electoral poster in the north of England come the next election.

Originally Posted by Chris

I’m really looking forward to hearing Labour, the SNP, the TIGgers and the Lib Dems squeal. For all their complaints about May’s indecision, their entire strategy has rested on preventing any decisions being taken until a referendum could be secured. Now they have to be seen to back May, or back No Deal, or be spineless abstainers - which will feature heavily on every electoral poster in the north of England come the next election.

Labour clearly have not backed a referendum and I doubt the Liberal Democrats, TIG or the SNP will suffer amongst their own electorates for pushing for one.

As for the electoral consequences well that's now very much going to depend on what happens next. If No Deal is more painful than is being assumed I think a lot of voters will suddenly 'forget' they supported it and blame the current Government, not the opposition.

Personally I think the ERG are handing the keys to No 10 over to Corbyn at a time of big economic disruption.

I think Corbyn is the only reason Labour has been unable to say aloud that it wanted another referendum, but I have little doubt that is the direction they have been edging.

I also think the ERG calculates that an act of God Himself couldn’t install Corbyn in No.10 ...

Originally Posted by Chris

I think Corbyn is the only reason Labour has been unable to say aloud that it wanted another referendum, but I have little doubt that is the direction they have been edging.

Yup but in the end Corbyn's stalling has paid off. His whole plan has clearly been to resist being caught having a position on this until the very end and forever holding up a mythical, non-existent, perfect deal instead. It's probably worked at least well enough for him to avoid being too badly burned by whatever happens next.

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The Spectator pointing out it might not be game over if May's deal fails: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...ong-extension/

Hardly ideal if they want Remainers to back May's deal.

h/t @HugoRifkind

Inasmuch as I understand what is going on, the EU will only let us have an extension if MP can show we don't actually need an extension, and they are to show this by voting a the opposite way from before in a new vote that the Speaker has already said they're not allowed to have.

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Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak

No 10 says Pm is not going to the 1922 tonight - this will tick off quite a lot of backbenchers who want to hear what her real plan is - may be a move she regrets

16:56 - 20 Mar 2019

I think she is at the stage of not giving a toss what her MPs want - resigning soon, do we think?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

this man will do any thing to help remain.

Originally Posted by Chris

I agree. This isn’t a bluff - we have reached the end of the road. There will be no more talking. We either take the deal on offer or walk away.

It is a bluff, and not a very good at me ! If MV3 lost then a long delay, he's only said it would rule out a short delay. No one apart from the usual fringe suspects want No Deal. The EU maybe saying hard things atm, as they rightly sense we're weak and on the ropes. Standard practice when opening negotiations !

[Jimmy-J]

A statement by the PM outside No.10 at 8:15 tonight.

[heero_yuy]

Which will be another attempt to kick the can down the road again.

FGS LEAVE!!

[Jimmy-J]

Rumour has it Corbyn walks out of meeting with PM because independent party were there.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

Rumour has it Corbyn walks out of meeting with PM because independent party were there.

Several sources say that now.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Old Boy you are following the flawed narrative that no deal is inevitable without this deal. That is simply not the case.
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That might have been the interpretation at 10:45 this morning, no so much now. Things move fast around here.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

A statement by the PM outside No.10 at 8:15 tonight.

Yes, i predict she will say to the nation, it’s the deal or no deal, I Also think the EU will will also take that position.

Taking way the safety net from parliament that voted to reject no deal, which was never in their power anyway.

It’s the end game. The choice is clear, there is no third way.

[Jimmy-J]

I just heard that May is hardening to a no deal.

[jfman]

Having threatened the ERG she’s now onto threatening the remainers. There’s zero chance of no deal, without an active choice by both Government and Parliament to facilitate it.