Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

For clarity by “small number” and I refer to the ERG and DUP and “extremist” their views on a type of Brexit.

I agree that the number of people who want to leave the EU (the referendum result) isn’t small, and most types of Brexit aren’t extremist views.

Theresa May’s deal is supported by most Conservative MPs, and isn’t extremist, for example.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Angua

Not sure about politicians not wanting some sort of Brexit. The ERG and Corbyn et al, seem to want this.

However, a second referendum would at least add a veneer of legitimacy to whichever choice is preferred.

Corbyn's version of Brexit includes staying in the customs union. That is not Brexit.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Corbyn's version of Brexit includes staying in the customs union. That is not Brexit.

By it’s loose definition it does qualify as Brexit. What you mean to say is that it’s not the type of Brexit you want. Which is a different thing.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

By it’s loose definition it does qualify as Brexit. What you mean to say is that it’s not the type of Brexit you want. Which is a different thing.

It's not the Brexit people voted for. It means we can't do our own trade deals, which was what was promised and certainly was a key factor for me, alongside getting back our sovereignty, regulating immigration and dumping unwanted EU laws.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's not the Brexit people voted for. It means we can't do our own trade deals, which was what was promised and certainly was a key factor for me, alongside getting back our sovereignty, regulating immigration and dumping unwanted EU laws.

Vote Leave and Leave.EU didn't make any promises. They were suggestions.
Also remember, this is just the withdrawal agreement we're talking about, not the final deal.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

By it’s loose definition it does qualify as Brexit. What you mean to say is that it’s not the type of Brexit you want. Which is a different thing.

This is something that a great deal of leavers seem to have an issue with understanding, the two options on the ballot were leave and remain, it didn't specify how we left or what type of Brexit we should have.

In the next few posts no doubt there will be some leavers who will pop up with the 'I know what I voted for, leave means <insert personal preference of leave here>'

The fact is, what you know you voted for and the options that were on the ballot paper are two completely different things. Those that voted to leave agreed to let the government decide on what basis we should leave and how closely we should remained aligned to the EU. And you did so by the very general nature of the option that you selected.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's not the Brexit people voted for. It means we can't do our own trade deals, which was what was promised and certainly was a key factor for me, alongside getting back our sovereignty, regulating immigration and dumping unwanted EU laws.

A lot of things were promised that are self evidently undeliverable (and contradictory!) and you cannot possible infer what 17.4 million individuals believed or prioritised when placing a single cross in a box.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

This is something that a great deal of leavers seem to have an issue with understanding, the two options on the ballot were leave and remain, it didn't specify how we left or what type of Brexit we should have.

In the next few posts no doubt there will be some leavers who will pop up with the 'I know what I voted for, leave means <insert personal preference of leave here>'

The fact is, what you know you voted for and the options that were on the ballot paper are two completely different things. Those that voted to leave agreed to let the government decide on what basis we should leave and how closely we should remained aligned to the EU. And you did so by the very general nature of the option that you selected.

Agreed. In one breath, it's a case of saying that it's up to the Government to implement the vote and my responsibility ceased after I cast my vote. In another breath, the Government is accused of not implementing what I voted for. People can't have it both ways.

Enough. I’m fecking tired of this discussion of Leavers didn’t know what they were voting for nonsense.

It’s gone on and on for too long so now I’m insisting this debate now moves on.

Some of you are being very provocative, posts like ... “I bet leavers will post the following after I say this....” This is Unacceptable, divisive language.

Time to move the debate on and the “tone” of the thread being antagonistic to cease immediately.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Carth

Good point, well made . . . no deal it is then

Not going to happen for 2 reasons:

1/ Parliament, honouring their obligation to serve the best interests of the country, will block it
2/ no democratic mandate. Leave campaign explicitly stated leaving would be with a negotiated deal

This last point is underlined by a certain Mr Gove:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Tory-MPs.html

Leaving without a deal on March 29 would not honour that commitment. It would undoubtedly cause economic turbulence. Almost everyone in this debate accepts that

The EU really showing it’s corrupted true colours, I’m flabbergasted as to why folk, don’t want the UK to flourish on its own, unteathered to it. But a story today in express says ALL EU Members to adopt the Euro in 2020.

Oh please let there be another Referendum. Another Leave win is a dead cert if the EU force the UK to drop the £. (Pending on whether we’re still in the corrupted bloc).

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wrong.

You still don't get it, it doesn't matter what vote takes place and how it goes on Wednesday, the vote may very well be pulled yet, to keep no deal, on the table, even so, you're forgetting the leave date is enshrined in to law, delaying A50 will not be enough on it's own, Statute can only override Statute, the default is leaving the EU, deal or no deal on 29th March

I don't think the vote tomorrow will take place, let alone the one on Wednesday. If facing defeat then run away/kick the can down the road again, the old girls got form. Doubtless it will be postponed till 29th March at 10:55pm.....

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

The EU really showing it’s corrupted true colours, I’m flabbergasted as to why folk, don’t want the UK to flourish on its own, unteathered to it. But a story today in express says ALL EU Members to adopt the Euro in 2020.

Not taking either side here but remember people think differently about a good many things Mick and the EU is not different to that as has been shown in all its Technicolor these past few years.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

The EU really showing it’s corrupted true colours, I’m flabbergasted as to why folk, don’t want the UK to flourish on its own, unteathered to it. But a story today in express says ALL EU Members to adopt the Euro in 2020.

Oh please let there be another Referendum. Another Leave win is a dead cert if the EU force the UK to drop the £. (Pending on whether we’re still in the corrupted bloc).

That story is not true.

I’d like the UK to flourish and I think that’s more likely to happen with a close trading relationship with our closest neighbours and the second largest single market in the world (and it’s global trade deals) than being outside.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

That story is not true.

I’d like the UK to flourish and I think that’s more likely to happen with a close trading relationship with our closest neighbours and the second largest single market in the world (and it’s global trade deals) than being outside.

Fake news! Surely not ! Anyway Mick doesn't read the tabloids