Brexit (Old)

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I predict trouble outside parliment the the trecherous MPs trying to block the legal will of the people, manage to block Brexit.

I the predict the end of Labour anf the Tories in their current form, and loads of MPs out of work.

I for one will spoil every vote after, and it will be a meaning less vote.

Please don't give me any it was only advisary crap (I wish I could say stronger)

You're lucky it was advisory or else it would have gone to court and been dismissed, you might think it okay for the liars, charlatans and snake oil salesmen to get away with it because it suits your position but I don't regardless of who won, I think it's outrageous they've got away with it, I said the night before the referendum it was a scandal and my opinion has only got worse, if one good thing comes out of this it'll be campaigning is a lot more scrutinised and proper accountability put in place

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I predict trouble outside parliment the the trecherous MPs trying to block the legal will of the people, manage to block Brexit.

I the predict the end of Labour anf the Tories in their current form, and loads of MPs out of work.

I for one will spoil every vote after, and it will be a meaning less vote.

Please don't give me any it was only advisary crap (I wish I could say stronger)

All the signs indicate that the ERG party-within-a-party are coming round to Theresa May's deal as they know that no-deal will be blocked, so Theresa May's withdrawal agreement will be voted for in Parliament. This will be aided by a £1.5bn hand-out to Brexit-voting impoverished areas of England to get their Labour MPs on side.
The subsequent negotiations will be the hardest the country has seen and people will come to accept that the UK will be the weaker party and a lot of the promises in areas like fishing won't happen.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

And a hell of a lot of leavers hung their hats on the advisory nature of a certain bus adverts claims, that was pretty dishonourable to

The polls showed at times a majority for Brexit LONG BEFORE any ad campaigns.


The 1975 referendum was based upon the lie that it was the European Economic Community that was being voted upon and not the European Union.
1975 referendum question.

Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You're lucky it was advisory or else it would have gone to court and been dismissed, you might think it okay for the liars, charlatans and snake oil salesmen to get away with it because it suits your position but I don't regardless of who won, I think it's outrageous they've got away with it, I said the night before the referendum it was a scandal and my opinion has only got worse, if one good thing comes out of this it'll be campaigning is a lot more scrutinised and proper accountability put in place

Until political advertising is regulated by the Advertising Standards Authority in the way that Virgin Media, British Airways, Kellog's all are then I can't see much motivation to be honest as that puts you at a disadvantage to your opponents.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Until political advertising is regulated by the Advertising Standards Authority in the way that Virgin Media, British Airways, Kellog's all are then I can't see much motivation to be honest as that puts you at a disadvantage to your opponents.

As true for the Remain lot as for the Leave crew.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As true for the Remain lot as for the Leave crew.

My statement was political party and movement agnostic.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

My statement was political party and movement agnostic.

No it wasn't; you were on about political advertising. You left yourself open there.

How about some actual debate rather than sniping at one another.

[Dave42]

see Teressa May trying the bribe tactic again to try get her deal through like she did to stay in power

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...-fund-11654666

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

No it wasn't; you were on about political advertising. You left yourself open there.

Political advertising is done by many parties and movements. It's a weakness that political parties can make claims that wouldn't be accepted if those same claims were made by companies. But the politicians made themselves exempt from such rules and it's led to a lack of trust in them and helped the "Westminster" elite label take root.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The polls showed at times a majority for Brexit LONG BEFORE any ad campaigns.


The 1975 referendum was based upon the lie that it was the European Economic Community that was being voted upon and not the European Union.
1975 referendum question.

You say it as if it's okay because them other lot lied as well, I say it isn't okay, it's very far from okay, if I had my way there would be big consequences for trying to hoodwink the electorate. I'd have thought all the true defenders of democracy, the will of the people types would agree or is it more a case of my voice must be heard and hang the rationale behind it, which imo makes them less of a democracy champion and more of a spoilt brat and anyone thinking this is just about brexit is mistaken to again imo, this whole country is paralysed by it, nothing is being done whilst the place crumbles around us, the law of unintended consequences personified, who voted for that?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The non-binding one, because of the sovereignty of Parliament, referendums cannot be legally binding in the UK, and are therefore advisory*?

*from the European Union Referendum Act 2015

David Cameron promised us that the result of the referendum would be implemented, so let's not get involved in pulling hairs.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The person that paid for the advert said it made the difference and 2 out of 3 doctors and nurses believed it, how nice it must be to hang out in such high brow company where you're smarter than most doctors

I don't know where that statistic came from, but the point is that all the indications suggest that the vote would be roughly the same if it was re-run.

Blaming the ad on the side of the bus for the referendum outcome tbzt remainers didn't want is simply clutching at straws.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You say it as if it's okay because them other lot lied as well, I say it isn't okay, it's very far from okay, if I had my way there would be big consequences for trying to hoodwink the electorate. I'd have thought all the true defenders of democracy, the will of the people types would agree or is it more a case of my voice must be heard and hang the rationale behind it, which imo makes them less of a democracy champion and more of a spoilt brat and anyone thinking this is just about brexit is mistaken to again imo, this whole country is paralysed by it, nothing is being done whilst the place crumbles around us, the law of unintended consequences personified, who voted for that?

Nobody was 'hoodwinked'! The word 'let's' indicated it was a suggestion and you know very well where that figure came from.

Given that all the main political parties were involved in the leave campaign, any suggestion about what could be done with the savings could only be that - a suggestion.

Let's stop going round in circles with these silly arguments. We are where we are and now we just need to get on with it.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

David Cameron promised us that the result of the referendum would be implemented, so let's not get involved in pulling hairs.

And where's Dave now? Getting on with implementing it? Or did he run away to foreign holidays and his country mansion?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

David Cameron promised us that the result of the referendum would be implemented, so let's not get involved in pulling hairs.

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I don't know where that statistic came from, but the point is that all the indications suggest that the vote would be roughly the same if it was re-run.

Blaming the ad on the side of the bus for the referendum outcome tbzt remainers didn't want is simply clutching at straws.

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Nobody was 'hoodwinked'! The word 'let's' indicated it was a suggestion and you know very well where that figure came from.

Given that all the main political parties were involved in the leave campaign, any suggestion about what could be done with the savings could only be that - a suggestion.

Let's stop going round in circles with these silly arguments. We are where we are and now we just need to get on with it.

What happens when the vote goes against your wishes, I'm sure you'll be happy not to hold the liars to account won't you, say Corbyn tells a load more whoppers and gets the top job, that'll be fine with you and you'll just get on with it, we really do get the politicians we deserve. Oh and for the record for me it's not about leaving or staying it's about someone trying to make a mug out of me, I don't like it and won't shut up about it or let those concerned forget it


and in the spirit of our current brand of politician I may have "misremembered" the doctors figure, tbf though I am doing this from memory, think it was 10% of doctors that believed it true and 2 out of 3 that thought it was a deliberate lie, not a misinterpreted suggestion

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I predict trouble outside parliment the the trecherous MPs trying to block the legal will of the people, manage to block Brexit.

I the predict the end of Labour anf the Tories in their current form, and loads of MPs out of work.

I for one will spoil every vote after, and it will be a meaning less vote.

Please don't give me any it was only advisary crap (I wish I could say stronger)

AKA, throwing your toys out the pram. Brexit is huge, it's not just as simple as leave or remain. If we are to leave it needs to be done properly.