27-02-2019, 10:30
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Totally agree - problem is, there are examples of idiots on both sides threatening violence, and it’s equally abhorrent whoever does it.
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Ah the old both sides are doing it argument.
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27-02-2019, 10:32
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Ah the old both sides are doing it argument.
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Are you denying that there ain't idiots on both sides?
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27-02-2019, 11:25
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
Are you denying that there ain't idiots on both sides?
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Oh no den there absolutely "ain't idiots on both sides"
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27-02-2019, 11:54
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Re: Brexit
Here's something interesting...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47379308
I particularly like the following
It repeated analysis suggesting a no-deal scenario could leave the UK economy 6.3% to 9% smaller after 15 years, compared to what it would have been
'It said the worst-hit areas economically in a no-deal scenario would be Wales (-8.1%), Scotland (-8.0%), Northern Ireland (-9.1%) and the north east (-10.5%).'
In the North East it would appear that Turkeys do indeed vote for Christmas.
Now, as adults, can anyone on the remain side provide any research from the opposite perspective?
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27-02-2019, 12:36
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Ah the old both sides are doing it argument.
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Well, no one could ever accuse you of seeing both sides of the argument...
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27-02-2019, 12:47
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Here's something interesting...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47379308
I particularly like the following
It repeated analysis suggesting a no-deal scenario could leave the UK economy 6.3% to 9% smaller after 15 years, compared to what it would have been
'It said the worst-hit areas economically in a no-deal scenario would be Wales (-8.1%), Scotland (-8.0%), Northern Ireland (-9.1%) and the north east (-10.5%).'
In the North East it would appear that Turkeys do indeed vote for Christmas.
Now, as adults, can anyone on the remain side provide any research from the opposite perspective?
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As all the analises and reports (quite rightly) put forward a "worst case" scenario to get the opposite perspective you would have to fund "best case" research.
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27-02-2019, 13:05
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by pip08456
As all the analises and reports (quite rightly) put forward a "worst case" scenario to get the opposite perspective you would have to fund "best case" research.
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Ok, which is where?
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27-02-2019, 13:11
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Re: Brexit
7.5% smaller than it would have been means - for example - instead of £100bn total growth in the size of the economy, we have £92.5bn growth.
Growth. Not shrinkage. Growth, just slightly less of it.
For comparison, because of the 2008 credit crunch, the UK economy is 16% smaller than predicted by the pre-crunch growth trend. Yet even here, using hard facts and not forecasts, the economy has grown since 2008 and despite endless shrieking headlines about austerity we aren’t on our uppers.
Clearly there is going to be an initial cost in loosening our ties with the EU single market. My contention has always been that the cost of being a part of the EU in terms of sovereignty and all that flows from that is simply too high. And in the longer run our freedom from the EU’s market and customs rules will allow us to forge our own relationships with the world markets that are really growing.
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27-02-2019, 13:17
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Chris
7.5% smaller than it would have been means - for example - instead of £100bn total growth in the size of the economy, we have £92.5bn growth.
Growth. Not shrinkage. Growth, just slightly less of it.
For comparison, because of the 2008 credit crunch, the UK economy is 16% smaller than predicted by the pre-crunch growth trend. Yet even here, using hard facts and not forecasts, the economy has grown since 2008 and despite endless shrieking headlines about austerity we aren’t on our uppers.
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Some of us thankfully are not on our uppers, there's a significant increase in those that are however.
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27-02-2019, 13:27
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Re: Brexit
BREAKING: French President Macron says request for Brexit delay must be 'justified'
Speaking at a news conference with German chancellor Angela Merkel, French president Emmanuel Macron says a delay to Brexit would only be accepted by the EU if it was "justified".
"We would support an extension request only if it was justified by a new choice of the British," he says.
"But we would in no way accept an extension without a clear objective."
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27-02-2019, 13:29
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Some of us thankfully are not on our uppers, there's a significant increase in those that are however.
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You mean those that can't go out and buy the latest iPhone?
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27-02-2019, 13:56
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by pip08456
You mean those that can't go out and buy the latest iPhone?
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No i mean those that can't afford to pay their rent or feed there families without reliance on 3rd party assistance be they in work or not.
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27-02-2019, 14:05
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Well, no one could ever accuse you of seeing both sides of the argument...
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There's no point entering into a argument if your intending to see that the other side has a counter argument.
when i argue it's because i'm right and the other side is wrong
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27-02-2019, 14:18
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
There's no point entering into a argument if your intending to see that the other side has a counter argument.
when i argue it's because i'm right and the other side is wrong
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Then by definition, you're not arguing. Just displaying arrogance and/or ignorance by refusing to contemplate that the other side may have a valid point.
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27-02-2019, 14:38
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Then by definition, you're not arguing. Just displaying arrogance and/or ignorance by refusing to contemplate that the other side may have a valid point.
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Your confusing argument with a debate or a negotiation,the sole purpose of an argument is to win [ask your mr's ]
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