Brexit (Old)

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

This is a withdrawal agreement, the real negotiation (fish, tariffs etc) comes with any trade agreement we agree with the EU.
We will still have to pay for access to the single market.

Isn't it the divorce bill being paid during the transition period rather than fees and a fee only becomes applicable if the the transition period needs to be extended, that's my understanding after listening to the aforementioned burks anyway, so it's anyone's guess really

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

As I understand it I think we're actually better of in the backstop, no new laws, access to single market, being part of the customs union ish, no membership fees and no free movement, what's not to like, no wonder the EU aren't keen oh and we keep the fish!

but subject to the ECJ and no Independent trade policy so

That is as said if I understand it right, I've made no real effort to look for information preferring instead to listen to Farage, Mugg, Bozo and the rest and think the exact opposite of what they said, it's easier that way

Very insightful.

[jonbxx]

Interesting piece from the Bruegel group on the costs of a no deal Brexit to the European Union and in particular Germany. This paper is an adaptation of work commissioned by the Bundestag (German parliament) and so would be instrumental in driving policy;

http://bruegel.org/wp-content/upload...-02-140119.pdf

This bit made me laugh;

In a chicken game (Maynard-Smith and Price, 1973; Rapaport and Chammah, 1966), two cars run at high speed towards each other. The driver who blinks first and pulls to the side, loses. But if neither driver blinks, the cars hit each other and both sides suffer damage. Game theory suggests that the driver in the weaker car would blink first because he would suffer the greatest damage. Yet, game theory is based on an assumption of the rationality of the drivers, which might not necessarily be an accurate description of the political reality of Brexit.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

but subject to the ECJ and no Independent trade policy so



Very insightful.

Actually 80% of our economy would be completely independent as there services which aren't covered by single market access, perhaps you should start paying attention to them to, it's very insightful

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Interesting piece from the Bruegel group on the costs of a no deal Brexit to the European Union and in particular Germany. This paper is an adaptation of work commissioned by the Bundestag (German parliament) and so would be instrumental in driving policy;

http://bruegel.org/wp-content/upload...-02-140119.pdf

This bit made me laugh;

But if the Brexit "driver" was seen as determined to drive down a particular route, then the other side(the EU) would know that they would have to give way. As it is the EU is repeatedly told that it is the UK that will give way, rather than be determined to implement the DEMOCRATIC vote of Brexit.


Lack of sensible proposals from the EU is purely down to the Remain side.

Originally Posted by nomadking

But if the Brexit "driver" was seen as determined to drive down a particular route, then the other side(the EU) would know that they would have to give way. As it is the EU is repeatedly told that it is the UK that will give way, rather than be determined to implement the DEMOCRATIC vote of Brexit.


Lack of sensible proposals from the EU is purely down to the Remain side.

It would appear you are stating that it is better to die in a crash than change your mind...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It would appear you are stating that it is better to die in a crash than change your mind...

If you set out clearly and have the reputation that you are not going to flinch, then the other guy will flinch first. It is the EU determined to force a crash or for the UK to flinch first.


Brexit under reasonable and acceptable terms or "hard" Brexit. If the EU was remotely convinced that "hard" Brexit was allowed to be an option for us, then they would be more forthcoming in negotiating an agreement. Consider driving in a F1 GP race and Lewis Hamilton comes alongside. You know full well he isn't going to yield, so you have to move over.



If Brexit is delayed by more than a few months, then it is inevitable that democracy will be subverted yet further, and Brexit will never happen.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

If you set out clearly and have the reputation that you are not going to flinch, then the other guy will flinch first. It is the EU determined to force a crash or for the UK to flinch first.

Brexit under reasonable and acceptable terms or "hard" Brexit. If the EU was remotely convinced that "hard" Brexit was allowed to be an option for us, then they would be more forthcoming in negotiating an agreement. Consider driving in a F1 GP race and Lewis Hamilton comes alongside. You know full well he isn't going to yield, so you have to move over.

If Brexit is delayed by more than a few months, then it is inevitable that democracy will be subverted yet further, and Brexit will never happen.

Hard aka no-deal Brexit is allowed to be an option as far as the EU is concerned. It has already said that there would be no holiday visas for UK citizens in such circumstances. But a car of 500m horse power has more power than one of 64m horse power and the latter will invariably yield.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hard aka no-deal Brexit is allowed to be an option as far as the EU is concerned. It has already said that there would be no holiday visas for UK citizens in such circumstances. But a car of 500m horse power has more power than one of 64m horse power and the latter will invariably yield.

It is the UK "government" that is signalling "we'll accept any deal".

Leo Varadkar spoke to reporters ahead of a meeting with Theresa May at the EU-Arab League joint summit in Egypt.
He described a no-deal Brexit as a "lose-lose-lose scenario for everyone".
He said he believed the UK would either agree a deal with the EU or that Article 50 would be extended rather than a no-deal outcome.

The Republic of Ireland is "not playing chicken" with its stance on the Brexit backstop, Leo Varadkar has warned.
The taoiseach (Irish prime minister) was speaking in Egypt on Sunday as Theresa May attempts to seek changes to her rejected withdrawal agreement.
He reiterated that his government would not accept a time limit on the backstop or a unilateral exit clause for the UK.

Basically it's saying the backstop remains until the EU says otherwise.

Originally Posted by nomadking

It is the UK "government" that is signalling "we'll accept any deal".


Basically it's saying the backstop remains until the EU says otherwise.

Or until a method of tracking trade across the border exists, without border controls.

Remember, if we have no border trade controls at the Irish/NI border, under WTO rules we have to treat all other countries the same way.

[Dave42]

Labour announce backing for a second Brexit referendum

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-an...endum-11648217

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Labour announce backing for a second Brexit referendum

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-an...endum-11648217

Well done JC for achieving the impossible, I will NEVER vote labour again.

All my life I have voted labour, but never again.

All these traitors who are trying to block brexit, must have forgotten that leavers will vote them out.

I myself cannot vote for my MP he his blocking us leaving plus he is anti same sex relationship, so 2 reason to oust him.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well don't JC for achieving the impossible, I will NEVER vote labour again.

All my life I have voted labour, but never again.

All these traitors who are trying to block brexit, must have forgotten that leavers will vote them out.

I myself cannot vote for my MP he his blocking us leaving plus he is anti same sex relationship, so 2 reason to oust him.

he following the policy agreed at labour party conference which had vast majority support

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well don't JC for achieving the impossible, I will NEVER vote labour again.

All my life I have voted labour, but never again.

All these traitors who are trying to block brexit, must have forgotten that leavers will vote them out.

I myself cannot vote for my MP he his blocking us leaving plus he is anti same sex relationship, so 2 reason to oust him.

Bit emotional mate. Disagreeing with you does not make them traitors.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well don't JC for achieving the impossible, I will NEVER vote labour again.

All my life I have voted labour, but never again.

All these traitors who are trying to block brexit, must have forgotten that leavers will vote them out.

I myself cannot vote for my MP he his blocking us leaving plus he is anti same sex relationship, so 2 reason to oust him.

No one is a traitor , saboteur or muntineer as that type of inflammatory language should not be aimed at anybody.