Funding of the BBC

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Even the commercial channels don't want advertising on the BBC as it would hit their income; there simply isn't enough to go round. This has become even more so as young people abandon TV in favour of the internet and, subsequently, advertising aimed at them is switched to the the net.

I have no doubt that BBC1,2 and 4 and the news and children's channels will continue to be free.

However, I do think it likely that the successor to 'Project Kangeroo' will be available both by subscription and free with commercials. How else would this new streaming service make money for ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I have no doubt that BBC1,2 and 4 and the news and children's channels will continue to be free.

However, I do think it likely that the successor to 'Project Kangeroo' will be available both by subscription and free with commercials. How else would this new streaming service make money for ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5?

That necessity for a mix of commercial and non-commercial content was the reason ofcom killed it first time round.

[Sephiroth]

In a civilised society, you'd want to have some sort of public broadcasting service, whether funded by general taxation (not preferred) or out of licence fee (which keeps guvmin interference away).

Let's say that the advertisers shift away from ITV and the like, who then have no sustainable business model; what would you be left with? The BBC with its guaranteed income. The BBC merely needs to cut its cloth to suit its resources.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

In a civilised society, you'd want to have some sort of public broadcasting service, whether funded by general taxation (not preferred) or out of licence fee (which keeps guvmin interference away).

Let's say that the advertisers shift away from ITV and the like, who then have no sustainable business model; what would you be left with? The BBC with its guaranteed income. The BBC merely needs to cut its cloth to suit its resources.

I do believe that advertisers will shift away from the traditional channels, and the main broadcasters like ITV and Channel 4 will team up with the BBC's new 'Netflix-style' app, which will be financed by a mix of advertising and subscriptions. BBC programmes will continue to be free with no advertisements on both the free and subscription versions while the licence fee continues to exist.

The public service broadcast funding should be allocated differently if the licence fee is abolished and instead allocated directly to whichever channels took up the government's requirement to make particular types of programme (such as local news programming and public information programmes). Public broadcasting services do not have to be ditched just because there is a different method of making content available and this does not have to be the sole province of the BBC.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I do believe that advertisers will shift away from the traditional channels, and the main broadcasters like ITV and Channel 4 will team up with the BBC's new 'Netflix-style' app, which will be financed by a mix of advertising and subscriptions. BBC programmes will continue to be free with no advertisements on both the free and subscription versions while the licence fee continues to exist.

The public service broadcast funding should be allocated differently if the licence fee is abolished and instead allocated directly to whichever channels took up the government's requirement to make particular types of programme (such as local news programming and public information programmes). Public broadcasting services do not have to be ditched just because there is a different method of making content available and this does not have to be the sole province of the BBC.

Still waffling on about the licence fee OB? Must be bigger things to worry about surely ?

How much did you pay VM last year (for mostly repeats), and how much did you pay the BBC (for mostly original content) ?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Still waffling on about the licence fee OB? Must be bigger things to worry about surely ?

How much did you pay VM last year (for mostly repeats), and how much did you pay the BBC (for mostly original content) ?

First of all, where do you get the idea that the Beeb broadcast mainly original content? The BBC are well renowned for their repeats, particularly during the summer.

As far as VM is concerned, you will no doubt recall that I have also railed against the amount of rubbish on the pay-tv channels. I'd much prefer to pay less for a skinny bundle of watchable channels than pay through the nose for all the rubbish channels I never watch. I'd be happy with just the HD channels plus BBC1 SD (for the regional programming) together with the Virgin Exclusives and Sky on demand.

So I'm not sure why you are comparing the two. Both need to improve, in my opinion.

The licence fee is actually quite a different issue. The current system is preventing the BBC from innovating and forcing them to gift their best shows to other broadcasters.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Still waffling on about the licence fee OB? Must be bigger things to worry about surely ?

How much did you pay VM last year (for mostly repeats), and how much did you pay the BBC (for mostly original content) ?

Now, now I think you are being unkind.

The licence fee skews the market. Just think of how lucrative streaming would be if 26 million households had an extra £12 a month in their pocket. Such innovative companies as Starzplay and Eleven Sports could gain a foothold in the market.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Still waffling on about the licence fee OB? Must be bigger things to worry about surely ?

How much did you pay VM last year (for mostly repeats), and how much did you pay the BBC (for mostly original content) ?

Yes still waffling about the bill people hate paying most, that's saying something if council tax is included and he has a choice about paying virgin media to.

Mostly original content, do you even watch the channel you defend so much, last year the telegraph reported a rise in peak time repeats on the flagship channel of 65%, 65% repeats between 18:00- 22:30, what's it like the rest of the time and on their other channels the ones no one watches

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes still waffling about the bill people hate paying most, that's saying something if council tax is included and he has a choice about paying virgin media to.

Mostly original content, do you even watch the channel you defend so much, last year the telegraph reported a rise in peak time repeats on the flagship channel of 65%, 65% repeats between 18:00- 22:30, what's it like the rest of the time and on their other channels the ones no one watches

The Torygraph, well we know how they love the Beeb !
The best Dramas during the last been on the BBC, the Bodyguard, Les Miserables, Killing Eve. Quality not quantity. Yes they've had to scale back because of the Govts. constant attacks and having to fund licences for the crinklies. It'll 100% repeats and adverts if you want it free.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The Torygraph, well we know how they love the Beeb !
The best Dramas during the last been on the BBC, the Bodyguard, Les Miserables, Killing Eve. Quality not quantity. Yes they've had to scale back because of the Govts. constant attacks and having to fund licences for the crinklies. It'll 100% repeats and adverts if you want it free.

It's already repeats and your plan suits me, never watched the channel anyway or like most other people any of their other channels either

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The Torygraph, well we know how they love the Beeb !
The best Dramas during the last been on the BBC, the Bodyguard, Les Miserables, Killing Eve. Quality not quantity. Yes they've had to scale back because of the Govts. constant attacks and having to fund licences for the crinklies. It'll 100% repeats and adverts if you want it free.

You are right about the dramas, but we were talking about the heavy reliance on repeats.

I notice you are taking the view that it's all the government's fault. Well, abolition of the licence fee and introduction of voluntary subscriptions would put paid to that, wouldn't it?

[denphone]

Here are the latest BBC licence fee receipts and expenditure.

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/ta...s-expenditure/

[Mr K]

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are right about the dramas, but we were talking about the heavy reliance on repeats.

I notice you are taking the view that it's all the government's fault. Well, abolition of the licence fee and introduction of voluntary subscriptions would put paid to that, wouldn't it?

It's a public service broadcaster, which you can't seem to get your head around. It's output is different from other broadcasters, as it isn't a slave to ratings and advertiser's. It makes programmes others don't as they aren't profitable. All that glitters isn't subscription TV.
Yes I'd wish there weren't repeats but unless you really want to pay a lot more £12 a month that's the way it is.

Tbh I'd wish it went off air in the daytime (like the good old days !), rather than all the property/antique programmes, and didn't do stuff like Strictly. But some people like them and it has to cater for all tastes as the licence fee is universal.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's already repeats and your plan suits me, never watched the channel anyway or like most other people any of their other channels either

Can't be repeats if you don't watch them Mr Daddy

They are maybe not to your taste, but they are the most watched channels with 4 times the audience share of Sky.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...udience-share/

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

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Can't be repeats if you don't watch them Mr Daddy

They are maybe not to your taste, but they are the most watched channels with 4 times the audience share of Sky.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...udience-share/

The clue in tv guide is the R in the listing, not to mention the aforementioned report saying 65% of their flagship channels prime time content was repeats. Really BBC parliament is one of the most watched channels and I seem to remember the blue Peter repeat on the kids channel got a zero audience rating recently, literally no one watched it, sky must be bricking it with those sort of numbers

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Really BBC parliament is one of the most watched channels and I seem to remember the blue Peter repeat on the kids channel got a zero audience rating recently, literally no one watched it, sky must be bricking it with those sort of numbers

Is BBC Parliament really one of the most watched channels? BARB data seems to show a 0.5% reach while the other BBC channels have;

BBC1 68.9%
BBC2 44.6%
BBC4 12.7%
BBC News 9.5%
CBeebies 7.3%
CBBC 3.9%

(Source, page 63 of annual report http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/abouttheb...ort_201718.pdf)