Brexit (Old)

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

Ah back to the old xenophobia.

And back to the old well worn cliches. IMO most people in the UK (of all types of races) are, to various extents, unhappy with the quality and quantity of immigrants for various reasons.

Thankfully, we've moved on since concerns about this were able to be silenced by accusations of racism, xenophobia et al.

[jfman]

I actually quite like the xenophobic arguments for Brexit. At least they’re honest about not liking foreigners, despite the economic fact that EU migrants are net contributors to society. Indeed, if any party wanted to they could have operated greater controls on both EU and non-EU migration but didn’t.

The “great trade deals” arguments are generally dishonest, but at least the xenophobes generally front up about their ignorance. It’s quite refreshing in a way.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Have they? I thought they just came over here took our jobs, caused increasing pressures onto the NHS. and were otherwise just generally up too nefarious activities.

That is usually the thinking by those who can't see further then their nose.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Have they? I thought they just came over here took our jobs, caused increasing pressures onto the NHS. and were otherwise just generally up too nefarious activities.

Most of them are younger and fitter and as such don't really use the NHS as they are in good health

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Have they? I thought they just came over here took our jobs, caused increasing pressures onto the NHS. and were otherwise just generally up too nefarious activities.

Nothing like blaming good old Johnny Foreigner for all our country's great ills.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

Ah back to the old xenophobia.

Sounds like a foreign word

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Sounds like a foreign word

Well, considering that English has it’s roots in ancient German, with later additions from Norman (a variant of French), Latin, Greek, that’s not really surprising...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Sounds like a foreign word

The fact that we readily include foreign words and phrases into our culture is yet another example of the fact we are anything but xenophobic.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

She has said nothing new that's of significant importance whatsoever.

Well she’s ruled out a 2nd referendum!

A whole bunch of amendments have been put today for next week's vote. I can't be bothered to post them other than to say it's gonna be a long afternoon next week. It seems the Remainers are basically pushing each option to see which stands the most chance of success before falling in behind it assuming May's own deal fails again.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

I actually quite like the xenophobic arguments for Brexit. At least they’re honest about not liking foreigners, despite the economic fact that EU migrants are net contributors to society. Indeed, if any party wanted to they could have operated greater controls on both EU and non-EU migration but didn’t.

The “great trade deals” arguments are generally dishonest, but at least the xenophobes generally front up about their ignorance. It’s quite refreshing in a way.

Money isn't the only thing that people consider when forming their views on immigration. Not all are net contributors to the coffers anyway and, as I said before, the data on this doesn't paint the full picture.

I don't recall anybody saying that they "didn't like foreigners", that would be a very juvenile way of looking at it. I've employed one or two myself.

[jfman]

It’s not about money for some, you’re right.

It’s essentially racism. The “full picture” as you put it simply the fact they are foreign.

Not everyone born in this country is a net contributor, so that’s a red herring. Impacts on poverty, housing or the NHS are sideshows to the reality that austerity is cutting public services as that’s Conservative ideology.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You clearly aren't interested in having a serious adult debate about the subject as I initially believed, so let's leave it there as this is a non productive use of our time.

Agreed, let me know when you’re prepared to accept the facts as preeented to you

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Well she’s ruled out a 2nd referendum!

Did she ? Explicitly ? I thought the words used were ‘I believe’ ?

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Money isn't the only thing that people consider when forming their views on immigration. Not all are net contributors to the coffers anyway and, as I said before, the data on this doesn't paint the full picture.

I don't recall anybody saying that they "didn't like foreigners", that would be a very juvenile way of looking at it. I've employed one or two myself.

Well done, Richard.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The fact that we readily include foreign words and phrases into our culture is yet another example of the fact we are anything but xenophobic.

The fact that we readily used the words ‘Blitz’ and ‘Gestapo’ during WW2 is yet another example of the fact we were anything but enemies to the Nazis...

The IMF thinks the U.K’s economy will grow faster than Germany and Italy over the next two years (and be on a par with France). Joint 3rd in the G7 after the USA and Canada. #despitebrexit.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/...com-TW-WEO0119

[1andrew1]

Two reasons why I doubt a no-deal:
1.

BREXIT LIVE: May hit by TRADE DISASTER - shock Border Force warning sparks freight concern
A NO-DEAL Brexit will plunge cross-Channel freight trade into a deep crisis, according to a Border Force document omitted from public no-deal documentation.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...irish-backstop
2.

IMF reluctant to make UK economic forecasts amid Brexit uncertainty
The IMF said that a no-deal Brexit was a “potential trigger” for a global economic slowdown, adding that it was reluctant to make any economic forecasts for the UK.
In the latest update to its World Economic Outlook, the IMF left its UK economic growth forecast for 2019 unchanged at 1.5 per cent, but said there was “substantial uncertainty” around this prediction.

https://www.ft.com/content/f3f00f8e-...7-97e4dbd3580d

[Mr K]

So Plan B is Plan A again ! .

Must be a policy of ' it'll sort itself out somehow.... '.