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[peanut]

Leaked video of Theresa May.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlwde7q30cI

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Carth

I'm really struggling to follow you here . .

Are you saying May went back to the EU and said "hey, here's that same deal we rejected once but can you offer the exact same deal again please?"

And this bit - The EU has no need to change, they have agreed the deal as it stands. - of course the EU have agreed the deal, it's a great deal for the EU, but not for the UK.

I understand that, as a remainer, the deal is probably acceptable to you though

No, it is not acceptable to me or a vast majority of parliament.

What is it you seem unable to grasp about May going back to the EU with a deal she has agreed with them, which parliament has rejected?

In other words, May needs to go back to the EU with something new.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/01/18/p...r-cyprus-flag/

P&O Ferries to register entire English Channel fleet under Cyprus flag

P&O Ferries, the British shipping firm, has decided to register its entire English Channel operating fleet in Cyprus, a company spokesman told the Cyprus News Agency on Friday.

The decision follows the initial re-flagging of two of its ships that operate between Dover and Calais, the ‘Pride of Britain’ and the ‘Pride of France’.

The other ships on the English Channel are ‘Pride of Canterbury’, ‘Pride of Kent’, ‘Pride of Burgundy’ and ‘European Seaway’.

“In advance of Britain leaving the European Union on March 29, 2019 we undertook a review of the flag status of our ships on the English Channel. For operational and accounting reasons, we have concluded that the best course of action is to re-flag all ships to be under the Cyprus flag,” the spokesman said.

On the question why the company chose the Cyprus flag in particular, he added: “The Cyprus flag is on the `white list` of both the Paris and Tokyo Memoranda of Understanding, resulting in fewer inspections and delays, and will result in significantly more favourable tonnage tax arrangements as the ships will be flagged in an EU member state.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Angua

No, it is not acceptable to me or a vast majority of parliament.

What is it you seem unable to grasp about May going back to the EU with a deal she has agreed with them, which parliament has rejected?

In other words, May needs to go back to the EU with something new.

A simple amendment to the withdrawl agreement would most likely get it passed in Parliament. A legal time limit on the back stop.
It is backstop that is the main issue with the agreement.

[papa smurf]

How Humber ports are preparing for a possible hard Brexit as PM's deal vote looms

Immingham’s exact role in a potential hard Brexit can now be revealed as shipping giant DFDS firms up its plans to deliver on a £42 million Government contract.


https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...o-deal-2429791

[Angua]

Originally Posted by pip08456

A simple amendment to the withdrawl agreement would most likely get it passed in Parliament. A legal time limit on the back stop.
It is backstop that is the main issue with the agreement.

I am not even convinced that would change much, let alone gain EU agreement

She needs to go back with a basic agreement about costs and in return get an agreement to prioritise trade EU/UK negotiations after March 29th.

There will have to be a hard NI border or let NI re-join the Republic, as there is no time to do anything else. Red lines are lovely, but what may be possible for the EU to agree could require their erasure.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Angua

I am not even convinced that would change much, let alone gain EU agreement

She needs to go back with a basic agreement about costs and in return get an agreement to prioritise trade EU/UK negotiations after March 29th.

There will have to be a hard NI border or let NI re-join the Republic, as there is no time to do anything else. Red lines are lovely, but what may be possible for the EU to agree could require their erasure.

The whole reason for a withdrawal agreement is for trade agreements to be made.

Seen today on Twitter (h/t @glenproctor1988)

[Angua]

Originally Posted by pip08456

The whole reason for a withdrawal agreement is for trade agreements to be made.

So what happens to trade agreements if we leave with no deal?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Angua

So what happens to trade agreements if we leave with no deal?

They can still be made, we just trade under WTO rules until then.

[heero_yuy]

You don't need a trade deal to trade with other countries. Trade deals just make it easier as in lower tariffs. Trade is company to company and doesn't involve governments.

Too many people simply don't understand this.

[Sephiroth]

Some Remainers on this thread don’t understand what you’ve said or have conveniently forgotten it.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Some Remainers on this thread don’t understand what you’ve said or have conveniently forgotten it.

Some remainers are concerned about the potential increase in food prices.

Lets say the following is true. and of course as with most Brexit things related, there's no guarantees one way or the other.

https://inews.co.uk/news/food-more-e...e-brexit-list/

What do you think will happen to these figures

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-uk-by-region/

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

You don't need a trade deal to trade with other countries. Trade deals just make it easier as in lower tariffs. Trade is company to company and doesn't involve governments.

Too many people simply don't understand this.

Good to know.

I thought, obviously wrongly, that companies need to prepare & submit the paperwork that their Government and the Government of the destination country require. I also thought they were legally obligated to pay the appropriate duties on their goods appropriate to the tariffs that their Government and the Government of the destination country have in place.

So trade doesn't involve governments? Well I never ..

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Some Remainers on this thread don’t understand what you’ve said or have conveniently forgotten it.

Or have posted many times what else trade deals include and why're they're so complicated....