Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by Mr K

You mean like forming some sort of Economic Union with them ?

Sounds like a great idea.

Trouble is, they will then try to turn it into a much bigger beast, the United States of Europe, where they try to dictate your countries laws etc.


( oh ... wait .... )

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mr K

You mean like forming some sort of Economic Union with them ?

Something like that. We could even make contributions to common infrastructure projects, and something to raise the living standards in “poorer” countries. It’s money in the bank in terms of trade it’ll only come back with all we export to them.

We’re so good they’ll rely on us.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

Something like that. We could even make contributions to common infrastructure projects, and something to raise the living standards in “poorer” countries. It’s money in the bank in terms of trade it’ll only come back with all we export to them.

We’re so good they’ll rely on us.

sounds like empire building.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

sounds like empire building.

The last empire we were involved in invented all that’s good in the world. Principles of fairness, justice, respect. Could be an exciting opportunity.

Whenever Corbyn is asked why he invited Hamas, Hezbollah, and the IRA to the House of Commons, he says it is "to keep the dialogue open."

Yesterday he refused to go to 10 Downing Street to talk to Theresa May.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Whenever Corbyn is asked why he invited Hamas, Hezbollah, and the IRA to the House of Commons, he says it is "to keep the dialogue open."

Yesterday he refused to go to 10 Downing Street to talk to Theresa May.

It’s a trap. He can’t win by engaging with her.

The situation will be resolved with May vs Parliament regardless of what he says/does.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a trap. He can’t win by engaging with her.

The situation will be resolved with May vs Parliament regardless of what he says/does.

He can't win by forcing an election either as he's unelectable.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He can't win by forcing an election either as he's unelectable.

That’s true, but the best position he can hold is to not lose out from the situation. He backs a PV and leave wins it he’s toast. If he backs May he’s potentially toast as well.

[richard s]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Question. Why wasn't there any cross party discussion/invites right from the start. Why were all the 'negotiations' undertaken by only conservative appointees? Surely it was within TM's abilities to have gotten such input?

To right Maggy, also why has it taken two years to get a crap deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46906046

French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe has said a no-deal Brexit looks "less and less unlikely" and has launched a contingency plan to prepare for it.
After the UK Parliament rejected the withdrawal agreement, Mr Philippe said laws had to be passed and millions invested in French ports and airports.
An EU official will now visit all 27 capitals to co-ordinate no-deal plans.

Ireland, and the EU with it, is about to reap the whirlwind thanks to its ideological obsession with pretending there isn’t an international frontier to their northeast.

It looks like “no deal” *is* the deal, in which case everyone is going to have to unilaterally put in place much of the infrastructure and agreement they would have had to provide anyway. Except this way there’s a chance we might not end up paying for the privilege of leaving their corrupt little club. So all good then.

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a trap. He can’t win by engaging with her.

The situation will be resolved with May vs Parliament regardless of what he says/does.

Corbyn can deliver a substantial block of votes in Parliament.

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Anyway I think we have to wait until Monday now to see what May has planned.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

Anyway I think we have to wait until Monday now to see what May has planned.

There is no other deal on the table.

Unless the EU back down on the backstop, and probably the 40 billion too ( unless they guarantee us a free trade deal) nothing changes.

Plan B is no deal.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

There is no other deal on the table.

Unless the EU back down on the backstop, and probably the 40 billion too ( unless they guarantee us a free trade deal) nothing changes.

Plan B is no deal.

Not according to the Chancellor.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...47844056678882

Philip Hammond tells business no-deal Brexit will be stopped
The chancellor also told executives that article 50 could be rescinded during leaked call

Originally Posted by Pierre

There is no other deal on the table.

Unless the EU back down on the backstop, and probably the 40 billion too ( unless they guarantee us a free trade deal) nothing changes.

Plan B is no deal.

I think this plan would form the basis of another adjusted plan. I also think that the closer to the deadline the more likely Parliament will find some resolution. Obviously leaving with no deal is a risk still.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Not according to the Chancellor.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...47844056678882

Being questioned by business. I think you’ll find the pertinent word that was used was “could” not “would”