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Mr K · 11-01-2019, 12:48

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Originally Posted by denphone

According to the slippery Jeremy Hunt he claims the Commons votes this week have made staying in the EU more likely but one detects he is manoeuvring himself into a position for the top job sometime in the future.

Oily snake Gove will beat him to it, and stick a knife in his back ! Neither give a toss about Brexit, but care a lot about themselves.

denphone · 11-01-2019, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Oily snake Gove will beat him to it, and stick a knife in his back ! Neither give a toss about Brexit, but care a lot about themselves.

Indeed Gove has previous history as we know and a leopard never changes his spots.

mrmistoffelees · 11-01-2019, 13:08

Taken from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46832808

"We're going to get smashed" - one government insider's apocalyptic prediction about one of the most important votes in recent political history.

IF this is general consensus, what can May do? No Deal is not going to happen. Mays deal looks like it will be heavily rejected.

Corbyn wants to have a GE but would need to extend A50 to be able to 'attempt' to renegotiate (Personally I can't see the EU moving one inch)

RichardCoulter · 11-01-2019, 13:27

May has been contacting union leaders to try and garner support for her deal:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46817503

Dave42 · 11-01-2019, 13:27

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denphone · 11-01-2019, 13:30

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

May has been contacting union leaders to try and garner support for her deal:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46817503

The enemy of my enemy is my friend as the old saying goes...

Dave42 · 11-01-2019, 13:32

Voting down Brexit deal risks cancelling Brexit, says Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt

https://news.sky.com/story/voting-do...etary-11604297

first cabinet minister admitting MPs can block a no deal brexit

**Damien** · 11-01-2019, 13:45

MPs can block no deal if they vote for something else. It's the something else that's been the problem.

People are playing a game of risk here. Brexiters are risking leaving at all by letting the process fly up in the air giving an opening for Remainers to reorder the pieces before they fall whereas Remainers are risking crashing at with no deal in the hope they can stop the entire thing.

At the moment it's technically possible for this to all be cancelled without much issue. Even with May's deal if the Brexit date passes then we're out. Even if the Remainiest of Remain governments takes over it would require a reapplication to get back in. If I were a Leaver I would be more concerned about getting across the finish line than worry too much about the backstop.

Dave42 · 11-01-2019, 13:53

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Originally Posted by Damien

MPs can block no deal if they vote for something else. It's the something else that's been the problem.

People are playing a game of risk here. Brexiters are risking leaving at all by letting the process fly up in the air giving an opening for Remainers to reorder the pieces before they fall whereas Remainers are risking crashing at with no deal in the hope they can stop the entire thing.

At the moment it's technically possible for this to all be cancelled without much issue. Even with May's deal if the Brexit date passes then we're out. Even if the Remainiest of Remain governments takes over it would require a reapplication to get back in. If I were a Leaver I would be more concerned about getting across the finish line than worry too much about the backstop.

totally agree well gonna be interesting day on Tuesday when she loses vote then she got 3 days to have a plan b

**Mick** · 11-01-2019, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Dave42

Voting down Brexit deal risks cancelling Brexit, says Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt

https://news.sky.com/story/voting-do...etary-11604297

first cabinet minister admitting MPs can block a no deal brexit

He's only saying that to get MPs in to line and scare them in to voting for May's deal.

A Senior Clark of the House who knows the Commons Parliamentary procedure to the letter and says there is no move Parliament can make to force a stop to no deal Brexit, would not matter if MPs held a vote or any number of votes, the fundamental principle remains, a Bill would have to be presented by the Executive, that's the Government of the day, to change the Statute that is in place, remember, a new statute can only overrule statute.. No amount of pushing for votes or amendments will alter the current law.

That law shows the clock is ticking, we leave the EU on 29th March.

Parliament cannot dictate to the Minister of the Crown, to cancel or retract Article 50 regardless of how many votes they have.

denphone · 11-01-2019, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Dave42

totally agree well gonna be interesting day on Tuesday when she loses vote then she got 3 days to have a plan b

Will she do what she did last time and call off the parliamentary vote at the last minute knowing she is facing a heavy defeat..

**Mick** · 11-01-2019, 13:59

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Originally Posted by Damien

MPs can block no deal if they vote for something else. It's the something else that's been the problem.

That's not true - as I said above - there is no move parliament can make to stop it, it's the law. We leave EU on 29th March with or without a deal.

**Damien** · 11-01-2019, 14:00

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Originally Posted by Mick

That's not true - as I said above - there is no move parliament can make to stop it, it's the law. We leave EU on 29th March with or without a deal.

Parliament makes the law. If it wanted to, it could change it. It may have to bring down the government to do so obviously.

Dave42 · 11-01-2019, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Mick

That's not true - as I said above - there is no move parliament can make to stop it, it's the law. We leave EU on 29th March with or without a deal.

parliament can change law and retract article 50 as court said not saying they will just saying they can

**Mick** · 11-01-2019, 14:18

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Originally Posted by Dave42

parliament can change law and retract article 50 as court said not saying they will just saying they can

And Downing Street today has ruled out extending or retracting Article 50.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Parliament makes the law. If it wanted to, it could change it. It may have to bring down the government to do so obviously.

There is no majority in the house to bring down the Government. DUP will still support Tories and no current rebellious Tory MP would be stupid enough to vote against it's own government. This is why Jeremy Corbyn has not declared a full no confidence motion in the PM as of yet.