Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Something smells fishy ...

No-deal Brexit ferry contract sparks concerns



Maybe they are just panicking and handing out contracts based on internet searches?

In the post Brexit world we are going to rely upon a lot of people to try out new things, might as well start as we mean to go on!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Mr K is correct (as always ), these locations you cite are indeed relics of Empire. Giving them pretty names is just denial. They will, at some point, revert back to their natural owners. Goa is good example of what eventually happens to relics of Empire.

The irony here is that you are denying that "we haven’t let the Empire go" and then, in the same breath, claiming that these locations are not related to Empire. Nice ..

You are showing yourself up. A pity.

First, who are the 'natural owners' of Gibraltar and the Falklands? They've changed hands several times and treaties support the current status. Indeed, both of these have held referendums to see if a change of status was favoured by the inhabitants.

What has Goa got to do with the implicit suggestion (by Mr K) that Leave voters haven't 'let the empire go'? It's the UK we're talking about.

And, by far the worst in your response, you have mischievously twisted my words. I said: "I hope you don’t mean the likes of the Falklands, Bermuda and Gibraltar, which are self-governing dependencies and in no way part of an Empire - Which we dropped in the period from 1948 through 1965." You said: 'You are denying that "we haven’t let the Empire go" and then, in the same breath, claiming that these locations are not related to Empire'. The two statements are not the same thing and you should do better than that.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You are showing yourself up. A pity.

First, who are the 'natural owners' of Gibraltar and the Falklands? They've changed hands several times and treaties support the current status. Indeed, both of these have held referendums to see if a change of status was favoured by the inhabitants.

What has Goa got to do with the implicit suggestion (by Mr K) that Leave voters haven't 'let the empire go'? It's the UK we're talking about.

And, by far the worst in your response, you have mischievously twisted my words. I said: "I hope you don’t mean the likes of the Falklands, Bermuda and Gibraltar, which are self-governing dependencies and in no way part of an Empire - Which we dropped in the period from 1948 through 1965." You said: 'You are denying that "we haven’t let the Empire go" and then, in the same breath, claiming that these locations are not related to Empire'. The two statements are not the same thing and you should do better than that.

You think we are the "natural owners" of land on the other side of the globe? Come on, really? Natural order will play out sooner or later. Gibraltar will return to Spain sooner than later. Brexit has seen to that.

You are claiming that Mr K's comment is wrong yet you subconsciously validate it. Delicious irony

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Originally Posted by jfman

In the post Brexit world we are going to rely upon a lot of people to try out new things, might as well start as we mean to go on!

That's fine but it is mine and more importantly my children's future these cretins are playing with.

[richard s]

Disagree Gibraltar and or the Falklands will remain with the UK or go independent with British protection.

Originally Posted by jfman

Your limited sample size tells us nothing of value.

Well I have been in the healthcare sector for a long time - no migrants have applied for any jobs and I have dealt with 1000's of applications so he is right and you are wrong.

British people are doing healthcare work and I will not have anyone say otherwise, including you and I do not give a shit what your data sampling requirements are!!!

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Originally Posted by ianch99

That's fine but it is mine and more importantly my children's future these cretins are playing with.

The cretins were the ones who signed us up to this bullshit club back in 1975!!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Well I have been in the healthcare sector for a long time - no migrants have applied for any jobs and I have dealt with 1000's of applications so he is right and you are wrong.

British people are doing healthcare work and I will not have anyone say otherwise, including you and I do not give a shit what your data sampling requirements are!!!

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The cretins were the ones who signed us up to this bullshit club back in 1975!!

Zero migrants have applied out of thousands of applications? That's quite incredible, given we have too many.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You think we are the "natural owners" of land on the other side of the globe? Come on, really? Natural order will play out sooner or later. Gibraltar will return to Spain sooner than later. Brexit has seen to that.

You are claiming that Mr K's comment is wrong yet you subconsciously validate it. Delicious irony

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That's fine but it is mine and more importantly my children's future these cretins are playing with.

Are you real? Up to now, you were a passionate Remainer. Now you are being contrary for no good reason.

The inhabitants of the Falkland and Gibraltar are normal human beings. In the case of Gibraltar, largely of indigenous stock. They are all democratically content with their lives and are not relics of empire. Any such implication is outrageous.

And again you have completely twisted my words and obvious meaning. We (UK) are not the ‘natural owners’ of these territories, nor have I suggested or implied that.

Your twisting of the truth renders your credibility as close to worthless. I sincerely regret that.

Originally Posted by jfman

Zero migrants have applied out of thousands of applications? That's quite incredible, given we have too many.

Yes - too many unskilled and arriving here to ride on the benefit gravy train - worked it out yet ?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Your twisting of the truth renders your credibility as close to worthless. I sincerely regret that.

[Admin Edit: Personal Insult Removed.]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes - too many unskilled and arriving here to ride on the benefit gravy train - worked it out yet ?

Think you'll it's mostly UK residents on that gravy train, hence our need for migrant workers.

After a 12 hour+ Cool down - Thread re-opened.

Follow the first post rules.

In simple form:

• No arguing and insulting each other. The next time a team member who has to act, action will be taken on those accounts.
  
• It is time to move on from the issue of "Migrants". It is another area of discussion where there is tension, too much for the topic to bear and people clearly do not agree with each other and never will and it just becomes a pointless slanging match.
  
  These instructions are non-negotiable.

We know the statistics of people who work in the NHS that are not British: https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7783

63,000 NHS staff in England are EU nationals - 5.6% of all staff. Overall, 12.7% of NHS staff say that their nationality is not British. Data on the nationality of NHS staff for doctors, nurses and other categories, and changes since the Brexit vote.

But the more senior/educated the position the higher the proportion of them being foreign born:

Nationals of other EU countries make up 9.7% of doctors in England's hospital and community health services. They also make up 6.8% of all nurses and 5.6% of scientific, therapeutic and technical staff. The percentage of doctors and nurses with EU nationality grew between 2009 and 2016. Since 2016, the percentage of EU nurses has fallen.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Something smells fishy ...

No-deal Brexit ferry contract sparks concerns



Maybe they are just panicking and handing out contracts based on internet searches?

Cluelessness is the word that comes to hand but then we have had two years plus of that thus so far..

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Originally Posted by Damien

We know the statistics of people who work in the NHS that are not British: https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7783



But the more senior/educated the position the higher the proportion of them being foreign born:

l can certainly concur with that sentiment being a regular patient for a long time at a top specialist hospital in London where many of the top jobs were filled by foreign born people and overall the hospital had over 40 nationalities employed within the hospital even in the lesser skilled jobs.

Originally Posted by Damien

We know the statistics of people who work in the NHS that are not British: https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7783



But the more senior/educated the position the higher the proportion of them being foreign born:

Anything in the private healthcare sector about EU Nationals working in employment and I thought the overall thought process of some Remainers that EU Nationals have left the profession, I thought there was evidence where there was an actual increase in job take up ?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Are you real? Up to now, you were a passionate Remainer. Now you are being contrary for no good reason.

The inhabitants of the Falkland and Gibraltar are normal human beings. In the case of Gibraltar, largely of indigenous stock. They are all democratically content with their lives and are not relics of empire. Any such implication is outrageous.

And again you have completely twisted my words and obvious meaning. We (UK) are not the ‘natural owners’ of these territories, nor have I suggested or implied that.

Your twisting of the truth renders your credibility as close to worthless. I sincerely regret that.

As Mick has requested, we all need to calm down a bit. Please no more "my credibility is worthless" remarks? I may well be but it does not help the debate

Yes I am real but the isn't the point here. What I trying (and failing) to say is that some of the people who voted Leave did so in the belief, mistaken in my opinion, that the UK's role & place in the world is larger than it patently is. This, I believe, comes from the days when the UK did indeed have an Empire and we had a "natural" right to position & power due to our imperial past.

I was pointing out the irony in seeing no problem with retaining these "relics" of Empire.

Anyway, let's drop this as we can agree to differ?

Happy New Year to you!

Originally Posted by Mick

Anything in the private healthcare sector about EU Nationals working in employment and I thought the overall thought process of some Remainers that EU Nationals have left the profession, I thought there was evidence where there was an actual increase in job take up ?

I wasn't tracking the argument here that closely tbh. If that was the discussion that my bad. I just a debate about EU nationals and looked for the actual numbers.