Brexit (Old)

[heero_yuy]

The industry I do work with (industrial instrumentation) ships world wide. Most of the products are made in the UK but the components are mainly sourced in the far east. With any luck the tariffs can be reduced here to give us even more competitive edge.

It makes little difference regulation wise whether we're in or out. FCC and UL are as significant as CE because the regulatory bodies world wide have been harmonising the specifications for many years.

The real quirk is Germany and their GS specification: Unless you can certify your product to that, German industry won't take it. So much for the "Common Market" but since Germany is the master there they get away with it.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Angua

Our area voted remain, so perhaps more aware of the value of EU workers given that locals struggle to survive on the average pay for the area due to high housing costs. So locals cannot afford to do the low paying care work and suchlike.

An interesting point. We can probably take the words I've highlighted as true - it's your area.

Now put this together with the remainder of your point - is there any research available or that can be done to develop the argument?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Angua

Our area voted remain, so perhaps more aware of the value of EU workers given that locals struggle to survive on the average pay for the area due to high housing costs. So locals cannot afford to do the low paying care work and suchlike.

Makes you wonder then, how the immigrant workers can survive on the same low wages?

Is it down to the Government paying them benefits to supplement their low income . . something which many of the 'local' workers wouldn't be eligible for?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

the industry i do work with (industrial instrumentation) ships world wide. Most of the products are made in the uk but the components are mainly sourced in the far east. With any luck the tariffs can be reduced here to give us even more competitive edge.

It makes little difference regulation wise whether we're in or out. Fcc and ul are as significant as ce because the regulatory bodies world wide have been harmonising the specifications for many years.

The real quirk is germany and their gs specification: Unless you can certify your product to that, german industry won't take it. So much for the "common market" but since germany is the master there they get away with it.

aka hegemony!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

aka hegemony!

Oh Gawd, he's off again.....

If anything we're the country who has are full of our own self importance thinking we should dominate and be the centre of attention. Always have been, we haven't let the Empire go. We're just another European country these days, hence why we need the EU.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Carth

Makes you wonder then, how the immigrant workers can survive on the same low wages?

Is it down to the Government paying them benefits to supplement their low income . . something which many of the 'local' workers wouldn't be eligible for?

Nope. It is down to them being prepared to live like sardines, or the companies employing them providing accommodation.

A lot of rented housing excludes those on any benefits, often as part of the mortgage/insurance provision. The pay is often high enough to fall outside benefit provision anyway. A single person cannot claim as much as people assume. Full time minimum wage over 25 (37 hour week) is just over £15,000 PA. Enough to rent or share a room, never enough to buy.

Originally Posted by Angua

Our area voted remain, so perhaps more aware of the value of EU workers given that locals struggle to survive on the average pay for the area due to high housing costs. So locals cannot afford to do the low paying care work and suchlike.

So if the locals cannot afford to do the care jobs because of housing costs, how can the migrants?

And I told you in my last post which you have conveniently ignored because it does not suit your agenda - no migrants entered the health care sector I work in and I live in an area where we have had high influx of Eastern European Migrants, i.e Polish and Romanian. The people who have applied for Care jobs are UK Nationals - so this fallacy of British people not doing or going for healthcare work is complete bollocks.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Oh Gawd, he's off again.....

If anything we're the country who has are full of our own self importance thinking we should dominate and be the centre of attention. Always have been, we haven't let the Empire go. We're just another European country these days, hence why we need the EU.

No we do not need that cancerous con job Anti-Democratic project, it needs us more, hence why they are scrambling at all costs to stop Brexit.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Oh Gawd, he's off again.....

If anything we're the country who has are full of our own self importance thinking we should dominate and be the centre of attention. Always have been, we haven't let the Empire go. We're just another European country these days, hence why we need the EU.

.... and you too, Mr. K.

Outrageous statements to make - ‘we haven’t let the Empire go’. Problem is that there are leftie idiots who take that nonsense in with huge gulps.

I hope you don’t mean the likes of the Falklands, Bermuda and Gibraltar, which are self-governing dependencies and in no way part of an Empire - Which we dropped in the period from 1948 through 1965.

As to the German hegemony, it is well documented.

Originally Posted by Hugh

But isn’t cheap migrant labour coming in, because locals don’t want to do the jobs, one of the reasons people voted for Brexit?

Originally Posted by papa smurf

No

OK, thanks.

Your well-reasoned answer, backed up by facts and figures, has convinced me of your position on this matter.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Hugh

OK, thanks.

Your well-reasoned answer, backed up by facts and figures, has convinced me of your position on this matter.

The No could have done with a smilie to give it a bit of authority

Originally Posted by Hugh

OK, thanks.

Your well-reasoned answer, backed up by facts and figures, has convinced me of your position on this matter.

I am convinced that you really need to stop leaving one sided responses like this - especially when many other people on the Remain side, are guilty of the same thing and you should damn well know this!

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

.... and you too, Mr. K.

Outrageous statements to make - ‘we haven’t let the Empire go’. Problem is that there are leftie idiots who take that nonsense in with huge gulps.

I hope you don’t mean the likes of the Falklands, Bermuda and Gibraltar, which are self-governing dependencies and in no way part of an Empire - Which we dropped in the period from 1948 through 1965.

As to the German hegemony, it is well documented.

Mr K is correct (as always ), these locations you cite are indeed relics of Empire. Giving them pretty names is just denial. They will, at some point, revert back to their natural owners. Goa is good example of what eventually happens to relics of Empire.

The irony here is that you are denying that "we haven’t let the Empire go" and then, in the same breath, claiming that these locations are not related to Empire. Nice ..

[Gavin78]

I work for the NHS no migrants working on my ward. Although there has been a few come over got off a plane and turned upto A&E with renal failure. 9/10 they usually allow them to have more than one treatment

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I work for the NHS no migrants working on my ward. Although there has been a few come over got off a plane and turned upto A&E with renal failure. 9/10 they usually allow them to have more than one treatment

Your limited sample size tells us nothing of value.

[ianch99]

Something smells fishy ...

No-deal Brexit ferry contract sparks concerns

Concerns have been raised over the readiness of a British firm contracted by the government to run extra ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Seaborne Freight was awarded a £13.8m contract this week to run a freight service between Ramsgate and Ostend.

The firm has never run a ferry service and a local councillor said it would be impossible to launch before Brexit.

Maybe they are just panicking and handing out contracts based on internet searches?