Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by jfman

You’re being quite non-specific, other than an obvious dislike of the EU.

I more than dislike the EU !!!

I want out of that disgusting corrupted club, that has financially constrained us for years!!!

We put more in than we get out, All these Remainers who say, we will lose the grants and EU rebates - it's our fecking Money we're putting in there in the first place FFS!!!

So we put more in, than get out - One of 10 out of 28 who do, so that's 18 other Member States getting more out than they put in and I am being asked what's corrupt about the EU?

Gimme a break. Asking questions like that, takes the fecking piss it does.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

I more than dislike the EU !!!

I want out of that disgusting corrupted club, that has financially constrained us for years!!!

We put more in than we get out, All these Remainers who say, we will lose the grants and EU rebates - it's our fecking Money we're putting in there in the first place FFS!!!

So we put more in, than get out - One of 10 out of 28 who do, so that's 18 other Member States getting more out than they put in and I am being asked what's corrupt about the EU?

Gimme a break. Asking questions like that, takes the fecking piss it does.

It doesn’t seem very good at corruption if it’s so transparent.

I assume the ten net contributors are democratic countries making a conscious choice that the access to these markets and stability that this ensures is worth the money?

I presume as well you support Scottish independence, as the Barnett formula causes larger amounts of spending per capita there, so England would be better off without?

Originally Posted by jfman

It doesn’t seem very good at corruption if it’s so transparent.

I assume the ten net contributors are democratic countries making a conscious choice that the access to these markets and stability that this ensures is worth the money?

I presume as well you support Scottish independence, as the Barnett formula causes larger amounts of spending per capita there, so England would be better off without?

The EU is not transparent - now you are another one spouting nothing but lies - The EU rejected to share their expenses of MEP's... I suppose whoever wanted to seek the information could go to ECJ, except they were ones who conveniently ruled against sharing that information...

I stand by what I say and the EU is CORRUPT as hell!!!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8553731.html

Scottish Independence has nothing to do with Brexit, but nice try - Do keep on topic.

[jfman]

I’m just trying to establish if this is British nationalism or English nationalism driving your thought processes. It doesn’t appear to be a coherent economic or social rationale for a better future.

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m just trying to establish if this is British nationalism or English nationalism driving your thought processes. It doesn’t appear to be a coherent economic or social rationale for a better future.

Your establishment methods are flawed when all you can do, is tell nothing but fraudulent lies.

[jfman]

I really don’t think I’ve said anything in this thread that isn’t true or is verifiably fraudulent.

I think we make a net contribution of about £6bn a year for access to a free trade area into which we export around £274bn of goods, a net fiscal contribution of £20bn by EU migrants to the Treasury and on average contributing £2300 more per year than a UK born adult. It’s all a big merry go round that everyone benefits from in different ways.

The £6bn also acts as a means of compensating some counties where we are taking parts of their skilled workforce, who have desirable qualities critical to our economy in areas such as healthcare.

For reference projected UK Central government spending in 2016-17 was £772bn.

Originally Posted by jfman

I really don’t think I’ve said anything in this thread that isn’t true or is verifiably fraudulent.

I think we make a net contribution of about £6bn a year for access to a free trade area into which we export around £274bn of goods, a net fiscal contribution of £20bn by EU migrants to the Treasury and on average contributing £2300 more per year than a UK born adult. It’s all a big merry go round that everyone benefits from in different ways.

The £6bn also acts as a means of compensating some counties where we are taking parts of their skilled workforce, who have desirable qualities critical to our economy in areas such as healthcare.

For reference projected UK Central government spending in 2016-17 was £772bn.

Well you said the EU is transparent - I provided an example of where they were not being at all transparent and then it uses it's Judicial power to put a block on challenging any further requests - this is total corruption!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Well you said the EU is transparent - I provided an example of where they were not being at all transparent and then it uses it's Judicial power to put a block on challenging any further requests - this is total corruption!

Well detailed expenses claims are an invasion of privacy. If you can establish a pattern of where someone eats, which hotels they use, they could be targeted in any number of ways. It doesn’t necessarily imply corruption without knowing what internal auditing they use and how robust this is.

I’d certainly prefer all politicians, at UK and EU level to simply have flat rate allowances deemed “reasonable” and pay anything else from their salaries. When you see the ridiculous claims put in by our MPs, for example, wallpaper you know if it came out a flat rate allowance they’d have found something cheaper.

I’m expected to commute to work on my own dime so I don’t see why they can’t they factor this into the salary of further afield MEPs.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Mick

Absolute rubbish as usual - I work in the health care sector and part of my previous role was recruitment these jobs ARE being picked up by English people and NOT migrants, so this utter fallacy that Migrants are only doing Healthcare jobs is an utter lie.

Of course we bloody make stuff - wtf do you continue to tell lie after lie ?

There are loads of factories open near me and in my area. There is a Metal works where I used to live and where I live now, there is a steel factory yard. Both said to be doing really well financially, fancy that!!!

One of the factories in the local area is closed. As they could not get enough local staff (very low unemployment area) they used to bring in Polish Bakers, complete with providing them accommodation. Now they have been taken over by a Danish company, their restructure closed it.

Another medical supply company has cut staff and still needs to employ people from the EU out of necessity. The other manufacturer is timber frame buildings, which ironically does not get used in local buildings due to a fixation on "the vernacular" by the council.

The town used to be a hive of industry, from car parts to hat making, machine tools to blankets. Now it is basically a commuter town for London & Oxford.

Now the local industry is care homes and care villages, where yet again overseas staff are recruited.

Not in the sector I work in.

Either way, that is a recruitment issue that is nothing at all to do with Brexit. Benefit scroungers and work shy folk or cheap migrant Labour, is a separate topic.

But isn’t cheap migrant labour coming in, because locals don’t want to do the jobs, one of the reasons people voted for Brexit?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

Irrelevant to any point I made to Mr K, who said we do not make anything anymore and Migrants only do care job - no they bloody don't.

I know we don't make as much as we used to - but that's all thanks to being in the cancerous, corrupted EU. They have financially constrained us over the last 40 years - biggest mistake we ever did joining the con job membership club.

iirc making stuff still accounts for a greater percentage of the economy than say banking but it's something just dismissed as irrelevant and manufacturing is not something we do anymore, when it is

Originally Posted by Mick

Not in the sector I work in.

Either way, that is a recruitment issue that is nothing at all to do with Brexit. Benefit scroungers and work shy folk or cheap migrant Labour, is a separate topic.

We have all but 100% employment last I heard, healthy economies require an excess of workers moving between jobs or it'll lead at stagnation and decline, where are they going to come from if we as a nation can't generate them?

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But isn’t cheap migrant labour coming in, because locals don’t want to do the jobs, one of the reasons people voted for Brexit?

Our area voted remain, so perhaps more aware of the value of EU workers given that locals struggle to survive on the average pay for the area due to high housing costs. So locals cannot afford to do the low paying care work and suchlike.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But isn’t cheap migrant labour coming in, because locals don’t want to do the jobs, one of the reasons people voted for Brexit?

No

[Hom3r]

You could say I work in an industry that could be effected greatly by requlation.

I work in Aviation, and the number of authorised we answer to is a pain. CAA, EASA, CASA, FAA etc.