Brexit (Old)

[Hom3r]

I will say this again I am NOT and I will NEVER be European or a European citizen.

Yes our Continent my be in europe, that that's all.

Nowhere on any paperwork I fill our never says which Continent are you from.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I will say this again I am NOT and I will NEVER be European or a European citizen.

Yes our Continent my be in europe, that that's all.

Nowhere on any paperwork I fill our never says which Continent are you from.

No one's asking you to put it on a form but posts 5127 and 5128 contain some clues as to whether or not you're an EU citizen which is the citizenship in question. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5128
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5127

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That you, Andrew, consider Blair's words as "reasoned" condemns you.

You've misread read my post - reasoned manner is my description. Thus he's calmly defended his position with his reasons and not gone off on one. We don't have to agree with him to understand that his manner is reasoned.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

TM doesn’t have to go turncoat. She puts her deal to the public in a referendum over no deal. Parliament amends the referendum legislation to include remain.

You can’t have a 3 way question on the referendum. It would have to be Binary, because you are effectively splitting the leave vote by having two leave options.

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Originally Posted by jfman

You keep posting that offensive emoji,

I think it’s quite funny

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one's asking you to put it on a form but posts 5127 and 5128 contain some clues as to whether or not you're an EU citizen which is the citizenship in question. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5128
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5127

Right move on from the discussion from the European nationality angle or EU Citizenship, if people choose not to be so that is their right and no-one should be telling them otherwise - time to move on with this discussion and I am not asking, I am telling!!!

Originally Posted by jfman

You keep posting that offensive emoji, despite being asked not to

CF does not have any offensive Smilies for use. People need to stop being over sensitive and reporting posts that contain the dunce smiley. It's use is permitted.

[jfman]

It’s a bit of a flaw is it not?

I couldn’t repeatedly call another user an idiot, for example.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a bit of a flaw is it not?

I couldn’t repeatedly call another user an idiot, for example.

You’re an idiot, if you think that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You can’t have a 3 way question on the referendum. It would have to be Binary, because you are effectively splitting the leave vote by having two leave options.

So many permutations possible with options of transferring votes to second preferred choice, ranking choices, which options to include, etc which make a people's vote hard to agree.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So many permutations possible with options of transferring votes to second preferred choice, ranking choices, which options to include, etc which make a people's vote hard to agree.

If leave were to win (against remain) I think it’d make most sense to have a further vote a few weeks later about what type of Brexit to aim for.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

If leave were to win (against remain) I think it’d make most sense to have a further vote a few weeks later about what type of Brexit to aim for.

I think that wouldn't work due to voter fatigue. I suspect even a people's vote in January would get a far lower turnout than in 2016.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think that wouldn't work due to voter fatigue. I suspect even a people's vote in January would get a far lower turnout than in 2016.

It’s the only way out of having six different views of what Brexit looks like.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s the only way out of having six different views of what Brexit looks like.

I know what dead in the water looks like.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Just a reminder



If you behave like children, you will be treated like them, and sent to the Naughty Step until the New Year.

As always, you have been warned.

Paul's Xmas list for Forum Holiday's is already shaping up to have some candidates names added to it.

My finger is poised on the ban button.

I suggest anyone who is over sensitive should find other topics to post in, and leave this one.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So many permutations possible with options of transferring votes to second preferred choice, ranking choices, which options to include, etc which make a people's vote hard to agree.

Three options with a single transferable vote would be stacked in favour of one option: TM's Deal.

As in:

REMAIN would transfer to TM's DEAL
TM's DEAL would transfer to REMAIN
NO DEAL would transfer to TM's DEAL or be a loner.

That's why there wouldn't be three options on the paper.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Three options with a single transferable vote would be stacked in favour of one option: TM's Deal.

As in:

REMAIN would transfer to TM's DEAL
TM's DEAL would transfer to REMAIN
NO DEAL would transfer to TM's DEAL or be a loner.

That's why there wouldn't be three options on the paper.

The above might be a convincing argument to TM for there to be three options.

What two options would you have?
a) TM's deal and no-deal
b) TM's deal and remain
c) No deal and remain

Ultimately, this evidences that a people's vote is not a straightforward solution to the chaos in the Commons. Devising it and then gaining consensus from the Commons will prove quite difficult as different questions and voting structures will lead to different outcomes.