Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by ianch99

There's no "yoke" here. It is only in your perception ..

There are 100,000's if not millions of people who did not vote in 2016 to be poorer. There is no mandate for this calamity.

This is a fairly nonsensical piece of remainer spin.

The question on the ballot paper was do you think the U.K. should leave the EU, or remain in the EU. Matters of process and consequence were discussed at length on TV and in other media during the campaign.

Ultimately, every one of the more than 30 million people who voted in the referendum will have made their own judgment based on a balance of factors. The likely state of the economy will have been one of those factors.

As with so many remainer objections, “nobody voted to be poorer” is a canard that is fundamentally disrespectful to the intelligence of British voters. I’d love it if you could just accept that everyone weighed up the same evidence as you, but when it came to it, more people came to a different conclusion than agreed with you. That really is all there is to it.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

There's no "yoke" here. It is only in your perception ..

There are 100,000's if not millions of people who did not vote in 2016 to be poorer. There is no mandate for this calamity.

Me and 17.4 million others who voted to leave the EU.

You just don't get it. The ballot paper said nothing about getting poorer or richer.

[djfunkdup]

Onwards and upwards . Another week passes and the Brexit Express still aint been derailed by the needy traitors

Hi Santa and the Elfs .. Merry Xmass

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As I said, you don’t get it. There is a mandate to leave the EU. That the guvmin mucked the process up is not a reason to invalidate the Referendum.

No, I totally get. The "mandate" as you perceive it does not exist. This is demonstrated by the refusal of the House to countenance a Hard Brexit.

Originally Posted by Chris

This is a fairly nonsensical piece of remainer spin.

The question on the ballot paper was do you think the U.K. should leave the EU, or remain in the EU. Matters of process and consequence were discussed at length on TV and in other media during the campaign.

Ultimately, every one of the more than 30 million people who voted in the referendum will have made their own judgment based on a balance of factors. The likely state of the economy will have been one of those factors.

As with so many remainer objections, “nobody voted to be poorer” is a canard that is fundamentally disrespectful to the intelligence of British voters. I’d love it if you could just accept that everyone weighed up the same evidence as you, but when it came to it, more people came to a different conclusion than agreed with you. That really is all there is to it.

More denial. No spin, just substance. You are just transposing your interpretation onto the entire 17.4 million. Too simplistic I am afraid. The voters who voted Leave did so for many reasons, with different priorities.

Many would not accept the significant financial consequences of a Hard Brexit. This is just the reality that you (and Parliament) have to deal with.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Me and 17.4 million others who voted to leave the EU.

You just don't get it. The ballot paper said nothing about getting poorer or richer.

Finally, we agree: "The ballot paper said nothing about getting poorer or richer"

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Originally Posted by djfunkdup

Onwards and upwards . Another week passes and the Brexit Express still aint been derailed by the needy traitors

Hi Santa and the Elfs .. Merry Xmass

now, now, play nice ... there are no traitors around here unless you disagree of course?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

No, I totally get. The "mandate" as you perceive it does not exist. This is demonstrated by the refusal of the House to countenance a Hard Brexit.
[SEPH]: The House of Commons was mandated by the Referendum to leave the EU. They passed that into law. What Parliament doesn't like is TM's awful deal. True, they don't like No Deal either. But Leave means Leave.

More denial. No spin, just substance. You are just transposing your interpretation onto the entire 17.4 million. Too simplistic I am afraid. The voters who voted Leave did so for many reasons, with different priorities.
[SEPH]: This is just your perception. They understood the English word "LEAVE".

Many would not accept the significant financial consequences of a Hard Brexit. This is just the reality that you (and Parliament) have to deal with.



Finally, we agree: "The ballot paper said nothing about getting poorer or richer"
[SEPH]: What was not on the ballot paper was touted by the two sides. The Leave voters heard what the Remain side were saying and decided to vote Leave.

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now, now, play nice ... there are no traitors around here unless you disagree of course?

[SEPH]: You do not get it. The Referendum result was LEAVE.

[Stephen]

But what if they had another final referendum in Feb and the result changed to remain, due to all the issues and terrible leave package?

I certainly know a few people that changed their mind.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Stephen

But what if they had another final referendum in Feb and the result changed to remain, due to all the issues and terrible leave package?

I certainly know a few people that changed their mind.

You don't get it either. You are a Remainer who wishes to thwart the result of the Referendum. You'll support any means to thwart Brexit and cheat the Referendum result.

Your suggestion is exactly what the EU are playing for. You should not be wanting to have anything to do with those undemocratic so-and-sos.

[Stephen]

What's undemocratic about giving people a final choice in what happens?

No one is thwarting anything.

Brexit is a mess and a total joke right now.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Stephen

What's undemocratic about giving people a final choice in what happens?

No one is thwarting anything.

Brexit is a mess and a total joke right now.

It is undemocratic to return to a referendum question because the losers don't like the original result. This is particularly so because the EU has engineered this outcome due to the non-existent negotiating abilities of TM.

We should now leave on a no-deal basis unless the EU changes its stand at the last hour.

You Remainers are trying to use democracy to usurp democracy. I get that.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

No.....

You still can’t back up your claim that food will be 50% more expensive in a no deal Brexit.

So until you do, or accept that what you posted was project fear bollocks, anything you post will be treated with the upmost cynicism.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

You are just transposing your interpretation onto the entire 17.4 million

And just what are you doing?

The irony is simply eyewatering.

[jfman]

We should have arranged a Brexit thread Christmas night out.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stephen

What's undemocratic about giving people a final choice in what happens.

How about implementing the result of the first referendum?


Then we can discuss other things

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Originally Posted by jfman

We should have arranged a Brexit thread Christmas night out.

Yes, sorry but i’m Picking fluff out of my belly button that night.

Originally Posted by Stephen

What's undemocratic about giving people a final choice in what happens?

No one is thwarting anything.

Brexit is a mess and a total joke right now.

Brexit has not flaming well happened yet, so how the hell can it be a mess?

As I have said prior to this and "ignorant" people, (they know who they are ) are side stepping the real issue here and that is Remainers in government and parliament are steering the ship and are trying to turn back and make us stay in a dictatorship, corrupted empire that now wants an army and has a drunken hair feeling pervert as one of it's presidents.

Democracy must prevail and that means implementing the first referendum result, a second referendum is a losers vote, for the democracy abusers trying to thwart the first.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

Brexit has not flaming well happened yet, so how the hell can it be a mess?

As I have said prior to this and "ignorant" people, (they know who they are ) are side stepping the real issue here and that is Remainers in government and parliament are steering the ship and are trying to turn back and make us stay in a dictatorship, corrupted empire that now wants an army and has a drunken hair feeling pervert as one of it's presidents.

Democracy must prevail and that means implementing the first referendum result, a second referendum is a losers vote, for the democracy abusers trying to thwart the first.

and the people voted for mp's that's vast majority for remain in parliament after the referendum just saying a fact

Originally Posted by Dave42

and the people voted for mp's that's vast majority for remain in parliament after the referendum just saying a fact

That is manifestly absurd - MPs ran on Mandates and have these so called Manifestos that were committed to leave the EU. Go figure.