Brexit (Old)

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Mick

Not as corrupt as the Remain campaign, who told many many lies and tried to portray this apocalyptic state, right after the leave vote.

They were just campaigns - I and along with millions of others did not need any influence to make my vote to leave the EU, the actual reason I voted to leave the EU, is because I do actually want to leave the corrupted EU!!!

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Yawn - You really do have this habit of posting links, in poor defense of the EU.

I have no intention of visiting them - because guess what ?

NOT interested in reading about folk who won't have any jurisdiction in the UK, once democracy is respected and we do actually leave the EU in it's entirety.

Typical Leaver response. Not remotely interested in anything that might challenge their beliefs.

I, on the other hand, am interested to hear about any concrete benefits to leaving the EU, but I do require some evidence they are likely to happen. Unfortunately, I have seen none, since before June 2016. I would argue there is none, because if there were, Theresa May would be using it to bolster her chances and her government, but she isn't.

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Originally Posted by Mick

As for your point about Public opinion changing, that is FAKE NEWS.

The best way to determine that is to have a referendum, with honest campaigns run on all sides.

Oddly, the leavers seem to be the ones that have a problem with that.

Originally Posted by Stuart

Typical Leaver response. Not remotely interested in anything that might challenge their beliefs.

I, on the other hand, am interested to hear about any concrete benefits to leaving the EU, but I do require some evidence they are likely to happen. Unfortunately, I have seen none, since before June 2016. I would argue there is none, because if there were, Theresa May would be using it to bolster her chances and her government, but she isn't.

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The best way to determine that is to have a referendum, with honest campaigns run on all sides.

Oddly, the leavers seem to be the ones that have a problem with that.

Yes because we already bloody had one FFS!!!

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Typical Leaver response. Not remotely interested in anything that might challenge their beliefs.

Typical response nothing - Maybe because I have made my mind up and no-one will ever change it. I want to leave the cancerous EU and that will never change or go away, you are very naive thinking if Brexit is stopped that us Brexiteers will just ride along - you've seen the Paris uprising - it will happen here, all because of selfish, anti-democratic people like you !!!

Originally Posted by Stuart

The best way to determine that is to have a referendum, with honest campaigns run on all sides.

We already had a referendum, how many do you want until you pathetically get the result you want ?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yawn - You really do have this habit of posting links, in poor defense of the EU.

I have no intention of visiting them - because guess what ?

NOT interested in reading about folk who won't have any jurisdiction in the UK, once democracy is respected and we do actually leave the EU in it's entirety.

So you're not willing or able to answer my question on your allegations of corruption in the ECJ?

I posted the links in this case to help in singling out the corrupt judges in case a reminder was needed of who they are.

Posting references or citations (in this case links) has been drilled in to me as part of academic rigour for years and as a concept has been around since the time of Euclid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_citation )

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Typical Leaver response. Not remotely interested in anything that might challenge their beliefs.

I, on the other hand, am interested to hear about any concrete benefits to leaving the EU, but I do require some evidence they are likely to happen. Unfortunately, I have seen none, since before June 2016. I would argue there is none, because if there were, Theresa May would be using it to bolster her chances and her government, but she isn't

The only benefit to some people is a reduction in EU immigration but of course there are more non-EU citizens arriving here so overall it nearly remains the same as it was before.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...most-six-years

Net migration from the EU to the UK has slumped to a six-year low, while non-EU migration is the highest in more than a decade, according to new data issued by the Office for National Statistics.

The data suggests non-EU net migration is more than three times the level of EU net migration. Overall, net long-term international migration was 273,000. This is down from the record levels of about 330,000 two years ago, but still almost three times the government’s target of less than 100,000.

Originally Posted by jonbxx

So you're not willing or able to answer my question on your allegations of corruption in the ECJ?

I posted the links in this case to help in singling out the corrupt judges in case a reminder was needed of who they are.

Posting references or citations (in this case links) has been drilled in to me as part of academic rigour for years and as a concept has been around since the time of Euclid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_citation )

Ignorance is bliss isn't it.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I, on the other hand, am interested to hear about any concrete benefits to leaving the EU, but I do require some evidence they are likely to happen. Unfortunately, I have seen none, since before June 2016. I would argue there is none, because if there were, Theresa May would be using it to bolster her chances and her government, but she isn't

Leaving the EU will of course be the great panacea to end all our great ills and suddenly we will return to the great land of milk and honey and the days of empire and great influence in the world.

[Carth]

*non-EU migration is the highest in more than a decade*

nothing to do with all the 'refugees' being taken in then? or are they classed as 'EU migration' because they traveled through numerous 'safe' countries to get here?

Originally Posted by papa smurf;35974488[B

]Is it because your head is lodged firmly up somewhere sound proof?[/B]

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Gollum star Andy Serkis releases hilarious Brexit deal parody of Theresa May

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...eases-13711513

I couldn’t fit in, as your head was blocking the way...

Any examples of Remainers calling people traitors, enemies of the state, or saying "string them up" would be useful to prove me wrong - always willing to accept evidence showing me to be wrong, as we all learn from our mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Carth

*non-EU migration is the highest in more than a decade*

nothing to do with all the 'refugees' being taken in then? or are they classed as 'EU migration' because they traveled through numerous 'safe' countries to get here?

No, because EU migration only counts EU citizens.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Mick

Typical response nothing - Maybe because I have made my mind up and no-one will ever change it. I want to leave the cancerous EU and that will never change or go away, you are very naive thinking if Brexit is stopped that us Brexiteers will just ride along - you've seen the Paris uprising - it will happen here, all because of selfish, anti-democratic people like you !!!

Still the same typical response, just phrased differently. As for the Paris uprising, are you sure? There was a major Pro-brexit protest yesterday in Central London. Apparently 3,000 pro-brexiters turned up. 15,000 anti-brexiters turned up. OK, so the weather was nicer in the summer, when 700,000 people turned up to the anti-brexit march, but surely the future of the country is a little more important than the weather?

We already had a referendum, how many do you want until you pathetically get the result you want ?

So? We had a referendum in 1973 asking if we wanted to join the EU. Doesn't meant people didn't change their minds. Besides, since when has asking for a referendum for something been anti democratic? I just want people to have the choice, and be able to vote based on accurate information. Giving people a choice is surely the very essence of democracy? Denying them that choice because it may go against what you want is anti-democratic.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Snip.

Stop trying to invoke division with questions on who called who what and who started it. It is irrelevant to the topic of discussion.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Still the same typical response, just phrased differently. As for the Paris uprising, are you sure? There was a major Pro-brexit protest yesterday in Central London. Apparently 3,000 pro-brexiters turned up. 15,000 anti-brexiters turned up. OK, so the weather was nicer in the summer, when 700,000 people turned up to the anti-brexit march, but surely the future of the country is a little more important than the weather?

700,000 or 30,000 is that all that could be mustered up - come back when you can beat 17.4 Million and stop bloody saying typical, my views are MY own, if you do not like that - tough luck.

Originally Posted by Stuart

So? We had a referendum in 1973 asking if we wanted to join the EU. Doesn't meant people didn't change their minds. Besides, since when has asking for a referendum for something been anti democratic? I just want people to have the choice, and be able to vote based on accurate information. Giving people a choice is surely the very essence of democracy? Denying them that choice because it may go against what you want is anti-democratic.

No the losers vote is just that, you want to overturn the democratic result because you, the "spoilt brat" inside you and a large number of Remainers, did not like the result so you want another.

We had a choice and people voted to leave the EU.

And the naivety if you think accurate information will be passed around in more divisive campaigns it will just be a re-run of the lies from both sides.

We had a referendum - the UK voted to leave the EU and leave we must.

[jfman]

No vote tomorrow. The Government cannot govern.

Tick tock.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

No vote tomorrow. The Government cannot govern.

Tick tock.

Utterly inevitable given if there was a vote it would be catastrophic for Theresa May and her minority government.

Originally Posted by jfman

No vote tomorrow. The Government cannot govern.

Tick tock.

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
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Two cabinet sources tell me vote being pulled - not, repeat not, yet officially confirmed

[denphone]

Originally Posted by denphone

Utterly inevitable given if there was a vote it would be catastrophic for Theresa May and her minority government.

Ian Wishart
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@IanWishart


Bloomberg's @TimRoss_1 reporting that the PM has called off tomorrow's vote.

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11:33 AM - Dec 10, 2018

It's pretty shambolic all this - lots of conflicting information saying vote is going ahead and then it is not but it's now crystal clear, Downing Street no longer knows what Downing Street is doing.