Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

A prime minister that double crossed the nation, said that no deal was better than a bad deal, then sold us out?

History would not look kindly on her, and would consign the Tory’s to a generation out of power,

You are assuming the country holds your opinion, 39 million people didn’t vote for Brexit. Leave and remain are a statistical dead heat in the polls.

There’s no predicting how post-Brexit elections would go. Would your average Conservative voter risk a Corbyn Government? Tax and spend socialism?

Can’t see it. This frenzy can be stamped out as quickly as it was ignited.

A good policy on inheritance tax tends to focus the minds.

Originally Posted by jfman

You are assuming the country holds your opinion, 39 million people didn’t vote for Brexit. Leave and remain are a statistical dead .

And they did not vote for Remain either. But you know they don't count after the vote don't you?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

You are assuming the country holds your opinion, 39 million people didn’t vote for Brexit. Leave and remain are a statistical dead heat in the polls.

There’s no predicting how post-Brexit elections would go. Would your average Conservative voter risk a Corbyn Government? Tax and spend socialism?

Can’t see it. This frenzy can be stamped out as quickly as it was ignited.

A good policy on inheritance tax tends to focus the minds.

Well the £39 billion we're proposing to give away for absolutely nothing works out at about £800 for each of the electorate. I'm sure we could all use it for better things.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

And they did not vote for Remain either. But you know they don't count after the vote don't you?

I’m not claiming they did.

There’s a large number of people out there who didn’t vote in the referendum who could get motivated to vote in a general election on any number of issues that aren’t the European Union.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Teressa May mentioned a no Brexit at all again in parliament today so it not pointless at all

Fears over Brexit deal sign-off this weekend as UK-EU talks continue

https://news.sky.com/story/fears-ove...tinue-11559692

Well, having just listened to PMQs, Theresa May committed again to leaving the EU on 29 March 2019. So I think you are still clutching at straws on that one. The PM could not have been clearer.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

You are assuming the country holds your opinion, 39 million people didn’t vote for Brexit. Leave and remain are a statistical dead heat in the polls.

That is a statistical phallus.

It’s like saying. 6 billion of the world didn’t vote fot Brexit, yes because they were either ineligible or didn’t bother. The only numbers that count are the ones that did. And won.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

would not been mentioned at all if it was not a option at all

Except to make Rees Mogg and his chums to think again!

Originally Posted by Pierre

That is a statistical phallus.

It’s like saying. 6 billion of the world didn’t vote fot Brexit, yes because they were either ineligible or didn’t bother. The only numbers that count are the ones that did. And won.

You could bring them up if you're guessing the numbers in a second referendum. I think the dimwits who sat it out because 'nothing ever changes man' and subsequently were jolted out of their idiocy before the last election would likely turn out this time. The youth turnout was predictably shocking last time.

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Spain and France are iffy about the deal it seems.

Maybe they really are and it would surely be curtains for May's deal if it were rejected by the EU!

Or maybe it's a bit of theatre. Saturday rolls around and suddenly the deal is off! Panic stations. Gloomy leaks from No 10. Dire warnings from EU leaders. Too far apart, it's all going wrong. Late night sessions into the early hours of Sunday, the meeting won't happen. Until a last minute deal! She did it! That was hard. Surely Parliament can't vote against it now since it's clear this is the best we can get?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Except to make Rees Mogg and his chums to think again!

they don't have the numbers to oust her OB cant even get 48 letters

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That is a statistical phallus.

It’s like saying. 6 billion of the world didn’t vote fot Brexit, yes because they were either ineligible or didn’t bother. The only numbers that count are the ones that did. And won.

Well no, how many of the 6bn are entitled to vote in a general election in the United Kingdom?

The people who chose to abstain didn’t choose to be prohibited from voting in all future general elections, and rightfully are not. Equally if the question were to be put to the people again they may be inclined to vote.

Their decision to abstain applies to that referendum only, for as long as that advisory vote is valid.

You can’t really predict the impact of a reversal on a general election, especially if both main parties broadly support the decision. Even more so if the Tories remove May and she takes the fall for it, putting country before herself and the party.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by jfman

Well no, how many of the 6bn are entitled to vote in a general election in the United Kingdom?

The people who chose to abstain didn’t choose to be prohibited from voting in all future general elections, and rightfully are not. Equally if the question were to be put to the people again they may be inclined to vote.

Their decision to abstain applies to that referendum only, for as long as that advisory vote is valid.

You can’t really predict the impact of a reversal on a general election, especially if both main parties broadly support the decision. Even more so if the Tories remove May and she takes the fall for it, putting country before herself and the party.

Ah, but that vote or lack thereof means you are never to be allowed to change your mind and vote next time, or vote differently to last time, according to some, because they are adamant there cannot be a next time.

Old saying - A week is a long time in politics, so never can mean maybe or soon or in due course, or as parliament feels at the time.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Dave42

they don't have the numbers to oust her OB cant even get 48 letters

More Project Fear again, Dave!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

Or maybe it's a bit of theatre. Saturday rolls around and suddenly the deal is off! Panic stations. Gloomy leaks from No 10. Dire warnings from EU leaders. Too far apart, it's all going wrong. Late night sessions into the early hours of Sunday's, the meeting won't happen. Until a last minute deal! She did it! That was hard. Surely Parliament can't vote against it now since it's clear this is the best we can get?

Very cynical Damien but probably true ! May and the EU are following a script, they should all join the actors union Equity !

Still should be enough to sway her fickle Brexit base. The papers that were fervently in favour of meaningful Brexit have now gone luke warm in the face of reality. Seems the tactic if it fails a vote in parliament to keep making them vote again with increasing dire warnings. Labour MPs will slowly come on board and the ERG will continue to disintegrate. Even the DUP might grudgingly abstain or vote for it, faced with the prospect of a Corbyn govt., as long as they've had a 'fight' and made some trouble.

It's a crap deal, we all know it, and it isn't really 'Brexit', but it's better than no deal. However it will be the end of May and probably the Govt., so look on the bright side

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Very cynical Damien but probably true ! May and the EU are following a script, they should all join the actors union Equity !

Still should be enough to sway her fickle Brexit base. The papers that were fervently in favour of meaningful Brexit have now gone luke warm in the face of reality. Seems the tactic if it fails a vote in parliament to keep making them vote again with increasing dire warnings. Labour MPs will slowly come on board and the ERG will continue to disintegrate. Even the DUP might grudgingly abstain or vote for it, faced with the prospect of a Corbyn govt., as long as they've had a 'fight' and made some trouble.

It's a crap deal, we all know it, and it isn't really 'Brexit', but it's better than no deal. However it will be the end of May and probably the Govt., so look on the bright side

No deal means a deal might be possible in the future, a deal is something we would be stuck with for eternity.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by nomadking

No deal means a deal might be possible in the future, a deal is something we would be stuck with for eternity.

How do you make that out? The trade deal will replace the withdrawal agreement, which is what they are negotiating now. Is two years an eternity to you?