Brexit (Old)

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Here he is getting ready for his first speech:



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But your link seems to conclude that the case was refused on the basis of UK and not ECHR law:

Yes - but the ECHR over-arches it all and rulings have to be consistent with it.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

Stephen Barclay the new Brexit Secretary.

Who??

The Downing St. cat turned it down apparently.
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...24031719403520

Larry the Cat
‏@Number10cat
“The Prime Minister offered me the position of Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union. After careful consideration for three seconds, I have declined the offer”

[richard s]

Well done Larry the cat... now lets get rid of the Tory's for good...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Who??

The Downing St. cat turned it down apparently.
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...24031719403520

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yes - but the ECHR over-arches it all and rulings have to be consistent with it.

So the example you cited was wrong then. Ok, got it ..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Who??

The Downing St. cat turned it down apparently.
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...24031719403520

That's a shame.

He would have been the purrfect candidate.

[Sephiroth]

What a foolish turn in this conversation.

[Hom3r]

the 585 page draft Brexit agreement, here if you want to read it.



https://www.gov.uk/government/public...european-union

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What a foolish turn in this conversation.

Are you surprised? Some people have more or less bet the farm on May not being able to get a deal of any kind. Whatever its drawbacks and compromises, there is now a deal on the table, which, when it comes down to it, most Tory MPs will vote for. The vast majority of Labour MPs will vote against it. So if we do now crash out of the EU without a deal, the blame will rest with Jeremy Corbyn (and to a lesser extent Nicola Sturgeon).

For some people, that’s a lot of butthurt to process. You can’t blame them for wanting to deflect their discomfort with a few silly Internet memes.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Are you surprised? Some people have more or less bet the farm on May not being able to get a deal of any kind. Whatever its drawbacks and compromises, there is now a deal on the table, which, when it comes down to it, most Tory MPs will vote for. The vast majority of Labour MPs will vote against it. So if we do now crash out of the EU without a deal, the blame will rest with Jeremy Corbyn (and to a lesser extent Nicola Sturgeon).

For some people, that’s a lot of butthurt to process. You can’t blame them for wanting to deflect their discomfort with a few silly Internet memes.

A few Brexiters who believed what David Davis (we can still have all the benefits of the single market) and Liam Fox (easiest deal ever) are nursing what you described as butt hurts. They truly can't have their cake and eat it. But there's no reason why they and everyone else can't tap their traditional British sense of humour. A better approach than being in denial and pretending there's a better deal to be had as they need us more than we need them or other poorly-researched reasons.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

Are you surprised? Some people have more or less bet the farm on May not being able to get a deal of any kind. Whatever its drawbacks and compromises, there is now a deal on the table, which, when it comes down to it, most Tory MPs will vote for. The vast majority of Labour MPs will vote against it. So if we do now crash out of the EU without a deal, the blame will rest with Jeremy Corbyn (and to a lesser extent Nicola Sturgeon).

For some people, that’s a lot of butthurt to process. You can’t blame them for wanting to deflect their discomfort with a few silly Internet memes.

No, the blame lies with anyone that voted for Brexit. It was an impossible fairy tale and reality has bitten. Blame whoever you like, but you need to look in the mirror.

TM got the 'deal' the EU gave her. They made little compromise, have given sweet nothing, and we've lost a lot.

As for the cat, have some respect

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A few Brexiters who believed what David Davis (we can still have all the benefits of the single market) and Liam Fox (easiest deal ever) are nursing what you described as butt hurts. They truly can't have their cake and eat it. But there's no reason why they and everyone else can't tap their traditional British sense of humour. A better approach than being in denial and pretending there's a better deal to be had as they need us more than we need them or other poorly-researched reasons.

I can’t answer for Davis or Fox. All I can say is, a lot of people have taken leave of their senses this week, and a lot of them have very obviously set in motion strategies that were planned before the deal was announced, and before they even read it properly. The SNP, Corbyn, his handlers at Momentum (whose anti-deal URL was registered days ago) and, yes, some Tory arch-Brexiteers were never going to welcome the deal.

For me, I think this piece by Katya Adler at the BBC is useful. This is not the future relationship. This is the transitional arrangement. It is temporary. I think it’s unlikely the 27 would have given more at this stage and I don’t think they will give any more if Parliament rejects this.

I have been opposed to our membership of the EU since around 1992. It has been a very long road to get this far and I can be patient if it takes a further decade to get the U.K. closer to where I think we should be. The pain and difficulty we have already experienced has proven to me that I was right all along - we have been entangled in the EU project so deeply that our sovereignty was seriously compromised. Putting that right was always going to take a great deal of time and effort.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

I can’t answer for Davis or Fox. All I can say is, a lot of people have taken leave of their senses this week, and a lot of them have very obviously set in motion strategies that were planned before the deal was announced, and before they even read it properly. The SNP, Corbyn, his handlers at Momentum (whose anti-deal URL was registered days ago) and, yes, some Tory arch-Brexiteers were never going to welcome the deal.

For me, I think this piece by Katya Adler at the BBC is useful. This is not the future relationship. This is the transitional arrangement. It is temporary. I think it’s unlikely the 27 would have given more at this stage and I don’t think they will give any more if Parliament rejects this.

I have been opposed to our membership of the EU since around 1992. It has been a very long road to get this far and I can be patient if it takes a further decade to get the U.K. closer to where I think we should be. The pain and difficulty we have already experienced has proven to me that I was right all along - we have been entangled in the EU project so deeply that our sovereignty was seriously compromised. Putting that right was always going to take a great deal of time and effort.

I think that Conservative Leave MPs fall into two categories. Those who want the magical unicorn and have resigned from Government to try and achieve it. And those like Michael Gove who have more patience and appreciate that it's a journey and not an instant light-switch situation.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Mr K

No, the blame lies with anyone that voted for Brexit. It was an impossible fairy tale and reality has bitten. Blame whoever you like, but you need to look in the mirror.

TM got the 'deal' the EU gave her. They made little compromise, have given sweet nothing, and we've lost a lot.

As for the cat, have some respect

The fairy tale is the one we have now this mockery of a deal laid out to please the remain camp having a PM that voted remain who didn't carry out the wishes of those that actually wanted to "Leave".

Not only to please the remain camp but to please herself in getting something she voted for.

I feel cheated that I had to compromise to a bunch of spoilt brats that threw their dummy out of the cot because things didn't go the way they wanted.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think that Conservative Leave MPs fall into two categories. Those who want the magical unicorn and have resigned from Government to try and achieve it. And those like Michael Gove who have more patience and appreciate that it's a journey and not an instant light-switch situation.

I think you misjudge Gove there. He has only one objective , being PM. Brexit is a side issue for him.

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

The fairy tale is the one we have now this mockery of a deal laid out to please the remain camp having a PM that voted remain who didn't carry out the wishes of those that actually wanted to "Leave".

Not only to please the remain camp but to please herself in getting something she voted for.

I feel cheated that I had to compromise to a bunch of ]spoilt brats that threw their dummy out of the cot because things didn't go the way they wanted.

Do you mean Rees Mogg or Farage??