Government & Post Election Discussion - Page 109

Sephiroth · 10-11-2018, 11:32

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It depends on what you are comparing it with, Den.

When you look at Corbyn's lot, Theresa appears to be in firm control!

Delusional.

1andrew1 · 10-11-2018, 11:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It depends on what you are comparing it with, Den.

When you look at Corbyn's lot, Theresa appears to be in firm control!

A prime example of "what aboutery" when you know that Den's statement is correct and the subject matter has to be changed.

Angua · 10-11-2018, 11:47

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A prime example of "what aboutery" when you know that Den's statement is correct and the subject matter has to be changed.

The only stable part of this government seems to be the DUP. Not an accolade they should be proud of.

But hey, the fan boys don't want to discuss the shambolic government in power, so deflection is their only response.

denphone · 10-11-2018, 11:51

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A prime example of "what aboutery" when you know that Den's statement is correct and the subject matter has to be changed.

When you compare this current government to Conservative governments of the past they are as different as chalk and cheese.

Sephiroth · 10-11-2018, 13:32

As a Conservative, I’m ashamed of this government. You won’t get any Old Boy-isms from me on that topic.

When she’s toppled, I just hope the talent is there to re-establish the party in the electorate’s eyes. Starting with low taxation.

My understanding from sources is that TM’s inner circle is kept close and apart from that Hammond thing, is headed by that Olly Robbins thing; she decides everything before any discussions with her cabinet. As true for Brexit as for the last general election. Worst prime minister ever in my lifetime - worse even that Gordon Brown and that’s saying something.

Mr K · 11-11-2018, 18:07

Great speech today by the French President, warning against the dangers of nationalism. Made in front of Trump and Putin too, you can only hope they and Brexiteers in our own country listened.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y_to_clipboard

OLD BOY · 11-11-2018, 19:20

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Originally Posted by denphone

When you compare this current government to Conservative governments of the past they are as different as chalk and cheese.

But of course you wouldn't want to compare the Conservative Government with the Labour Opposition, would you? Oh, no, that's just unfair!

denphone · 11-11-2018, 19:28

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But of course you wouldn't want to compare the Conservative Government with the Labour Opposition, would you? Oh, no, that's just unfair!

Again you miss my point completely with your typical deflection comment as we are not talking about the opposition as there is a separate thread for that for us all to comment and criticise on as we are talking about Conservative governments now and from the past unless one is blind to the discussion.

OLD BOY · 12-11-2018, 08:29

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Originally Posted by denphone

Again you miss my point completely with your typical deflection comment as we are not talking about the opposition as there is a separate thread for that for us all to comment and criticise on as we are talking about Conservative governments now and from the past unless one is blind to the discussion.

No, I have not missed your point, I was putting your comments in context.

As for being the worst Conservative Government ever, this impression appears to have been gained because Brexit has been the main topic of debate for the last couple of years and other matters have taken a back seat. The whole thing has been frustrating for everyone. The public is concerned because they get only snippets of information and don't really know what's going on. You get ministers resigning because they don't think they will get everything they want and party discipline is difficult to maintain with the lack of a majority. That is exactly why TM went to the country last time, but unfortunately spectacularly failed to increase the number of seats. That appears to have been caused by the funding of social care arrangements. Two big issues that would have tested any government.

I will make my mind up about Theresa May's leadership when I see the result of this negotiation with the EU, and not before. Chequers is now dead apparently, so let's see what transpires. I think it is too early to rush to judgement yet, even though most of the population appear to have done so already.

Mr K · 12-11-2018, 09:05

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N That is exactly why TM went to the country last time, but unfortunately spectacularly failed to increase the number of seats. That appears to have been caused by the funding of social care arrangements. .

No , it was caused by them favouring some sections of society over others, and us clearly not 'all being in this together ' after all.

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. Chequers is now dead apparently, so let's see what transpires. .

Have you told TM this OB ? She's 'Carrying on Regardless'....

Sephiroth · 12-11-2018, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Great speech today by the French President, warning against the dangers of nationalism. Made in front of Trump and Putin too, you can only hope they and Brexiteers in our own country listened.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y_to_clipboard

Logically, Macron's right. But Nationalism defeats that sort of logic. I've often said that we look alike but don't think alike. Nationalism is an elaboration of that.

To make matters worse, power corrupts and people at the top of their countries don't want to cede a lot of power elsewhere. Indeed I see Macron as trying to be leader of the EU federation sort of thing.

For you then to associate Brexiteers with Putin and Trump isn't fair.

OLD BOY · 12-11-2018, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Mr K

No , it was caused by them favouring some sections of society over others, and us clearly not 'all being in this together ' after all.

By that, I assume you are referring to the austerity measures that were necessary as a result of the last Labour Government. Nice trick, to blame the Conservatives for that. Most voters of intelligence see through this narrative, however, which is why Corbyn will not win the next election.

Mr K · 12-11-2018, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

For you then to associate Brexiteers with Putin and Trump isn't fair.

It's very fair. You're all talking the same divisive nationalistic language. The same sort of language that has led to conflicts in the past.

OLD BOY · 12-11-2018, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Mr K

It's very fair. You're all talking the same divisive nationalistic language. The same sort of language that has led to conflicts in the past.

No, it's the remoaners who are being devisive for advocating that the government ignores the will of the majority of the voting electorate. You are looking at this from the wrong end of your binoculars.

Mr K · 12-11-2018, 10:51

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

By that, I assume you are referring to the austerity measures that were necessary as a result of the last Labour Government. Nice trick, to blame the Conservatives for that. Most voters of intelligence see through this narrative, however, which is why Corbyn will not win the next election.

No I'm mainly referring to the protection of elderly Tory voters at the expense of the young. and the ever widening North/South divide. All in this together - my backside !

(Austerity btw was a result of the worldwide economic crisis and the greedy (B)ankers who still haven't been made to account. )