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Gavin78 · 01-11-2018, 13:20

I was voting leave regardless of whatever road trip and lies either party was going on.

project remain worked on fear from no trade with America to WW3 so go figure that one out.

ianch99 · 01-11-2018, 13:35

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That includes the comments from Dan Hannan (and others) over being able to stay in the single market.

Correct. Who knew?

**Damien** · 01-11-2018, 13:42

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Nor does it seem that the Leave campaign has stopped, judging by a letter sent to all the constituents in Folkstone by Aaron Banks.

Remember Leave.EU were not the official Leave campaign which wanted nothing to with them.

papa smurf · 01-11-2018, 14:04

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Remember Leave.EU were not the official Leave campaign which wanted nothing to with them.

It seems you are right

Vote Leave

Vote Leave is[1] an organisation that successfully campaigned for a "Leave" vote in the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016.[2] On 13 April 2016, Vote Leave was designated by the Electoral Commission as the official campaign in favour of leaving the European Union for the referendum on EU membership

**Damien** · 01-11-2018, 15:11

I am right.

Vote Leave was the 'official' Leave campaign which had the major political figures (Gove, Boris) and was headed by Dominic Cummings. Leave.EU is the Aaron Banks outfit which wanted to be the main campaign but was rejected to be so. The only real figure they had was Farage.

Dominic Cummings wanted nothing to do with Leave.EU and rejected calls from some Tory grandees to associate with them because he thought, correctly as it turns out, they would do something to discredit the wider 'Leave' campaign.

ianch99 · 01-11-2018, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

I am right.

Vote Leave was the 'official' Leave campaign which had the major political figures (Gove, Boris) and was headed by Dominic Cummings. Leave.EU is the Aaron Banks outfit which wanted to be the main campaign but was rejected to be so. The only real figure they had was Farage.

Dominic Cummings wanted nothing to do with Leave.EU and rejected calls from some Tory grandees to associate with them because he thought, correctly as it turns out, they would do something to discredit the wider 'Leave' campaign.

That's a relief, so Farage as the figure head of this criminal outfit never got any TV (BBC, etc.) airtime and was not in position to spout his lies on the national stage .. no .. wait ..

papa smurf · 01-11-2018, 15:42

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That's a relief, so Farage as the figure head of this criminal outfit never got any TV (BBC, etc.) airtime and was not in position to spout his lies on the national stage .. no .. wait ..

He wasn't saying anything in an official capacity ,he was just involved in a splinter group .

He was just a beer swilling buffoon that no one took seriously.

These allegations are unproven and as such you should refrain from calling people criminals .

**Damien** · 01-11-2018, 15:43

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That's a relief, so Farage as the figure head of this criminal outfit never got any TV (BBC, etc.) airtime and was not in position to spout his lies on the national stage .. no .. wait ..

I don't understand the point. It's not like Farage was wanting for a BBC audience, they would put him on no matter what.

**Mick** · 01-11-2018, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

I was voting leave regardless of whatever road trip and lies either party was going on.

project remain worked on fear from no trade with America to WW3 so go figure that one out.

Exactly - both campaigns played by the same rules. But as usual - the one sided bullshit posts are still being emitted from the same folk, who conveniently use the same old tiring one sided arguments.

Both Campaigns lied. Criminality by any campaign does not invalidate the very legitimate EU Referendum result. But bless, they keep trying.

**Damien** · 01-11-2018, 16:19

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Exactly - both campaigns played by the same rules. But as usual - the one sided bullshit posts are still being emitted from the same folk, who conveniently use the same old tiring one sided arguments.

Both Campaigns lied. Criminality by any campaign does not invalidate the very legitimate EU Referendum result. But bless, they keep trying.

If there was substantial criminality from either of the official campaigns then it could invalidate the result otherwise people have a massive incentive to break the law in order to win elections. Leave.EU are not the official campaign so I don't think it applies here.

**Mick** · 01-11-2018, 16:27

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If there was substantial criminality from either of the official campaigns then it could invalidate the result otherwise people have a massive incentive to break the law in order to win elections. Leave.EU are not the official campaign so I don't think it applies here.

Campaign finance law violations are common in most Elections throughout the world. It doesn't invalidate the result - nor should it, because which votes do you decide are invalid?

**Damien** · 01-11-2018, 16:29

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Campaign finance law violations are common in most Elections throughout the world. It doesn't invalidate the result - nor should it, because which votes do you decide are invalid?

You would have to rerun the election. I don't really know how you could handle it well to be honest. You would also need a point where the criminality is big enough to warrant invalidating the result. I don't think an entire election being rerun because someone didn't declare local spending in national figures is worth it but if someone commit a huge amount of fraud then maybe.

**Hugh** · 01-11-2018, 16:33

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Campaign finance law violations are common in most Elections throughout the world. It doesn't invalidate the result - nor should it, because which votes do you decide are invalid?

But criminality can cause the results of an election to be declared void - this happened in Tower Hamlets a few years ago.

ianch99 · 01-11-2018, 16:34

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

He wasn't saying anything in an official capacity ,he was just involved in a splinter group .

He was just a beer swilling buffoon that no one took seriously.

These allegations are unproven and as such you should refrain from calling people criminals .

Total rubbish ... Farage had a big influence on the Brexit result.

Angua · 01-11-2018, 16:38

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I don't understand the point. It's not like Farage was wanting for a BBC audience, they would put him on no matter what.

UKIP (Farage in particular) have been the most over represented group on Question Time, with disproportionally more appearances than Union leaders who represent a larger number of people.