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OLD BOY · 22-10-2018, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Pierre

This flaccid argument has been tried before.......

The Cabinet is made up of "democratically elected" MPs, appointed by the PM.

The EU Commission is made up of "appointed" representatives.

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we had a peoples vote, it was called the General Election. The Lib-dems, SNP and Greens all stood on a platform to reverse the referendum.

Nobody voted for them.

Yes, and MEPs can't actually put forward proposed legislation that their constituents want. Their power is only to 'suggest' amendments or vote on legislation proposed by the unelected EU bureaucracy. This organisation has been set up to avoid democracy but only to appear democratic!

papa smurf · 22-10-2018, 10:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I doubt she would do the counting. She voted for Article 50.

Did she know what she was voting for.

OLD BOY · 22-10-2018, 10:33

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Did she know what she was voting for.

No, but Jeremy told her to do it. Wasn't really her fault.

papa smurf · 22-10-2018, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Iraq War protest was about 1 million. The march on Saturday is the largest protest since then even if the numbers are probably inflated up from 600,000

It's just been on the Jeremy vine show met police estimate between 130,000-170,000 of the great unwashed turned up.

It is estimated that over 66,000,000 people did not attend the march.

Mr K · 22-10-2018, 11:14

Bit touchy this morning aren't we Brexiters ?

. All going to plan ? What was the plan btw ?? Any answers greatly received by HM Govt. !

jonbxx · 22-10-2018, 11:23

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, and MEPs can't actually put forward proposed legislation that their constituents want. Their power is only to 'suggest' amendments or vote on legislation proposed by the unelected EU bureaucracy. This organisation has been set up to avoid democracy but only to appear democratic!

Citizens themselves can suggest legislation however.

The parliament and council can and do amend and reject laws coming from the commission much like parliament does in the UK with bills from the government. Of course one big difference is that the legislative bodies of the EU (Parliament and Council) are elected either directly or indirectly* by the respective populations of member states unlike the House of Lords in the UK.

* by indirectly, I mean the Prime Minister who is voted for by the respective party and appointed by the Queen in the UK for example.

**Damien** · 22-10-2018, 11:37

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's just been on the Jeremy vine show met police estimate between 130,000-170,000 of the great unwashed turned up.

Source? Just looking at the march that seems way off.

heero_yuy · 22-10-2018, 11:40

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Quote from papa smurf:

It's just been on the Jeremy vine show met police estimate between 130,000-170,000 of the great unwashed turned up.

If a million who marched in opposition to the Iraq war made no difference a handfull of luvvies and UC claiments can safely be ignored.

And this is in London, that hotbed of EU support. The rest of the country just wants May to get on with it.

**Damien** · 22-10-2018, 11:42

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brexit-...ay-2018-10-20/

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Hundreds of thousands of protesters opposed to Britain's impending exit from the European Union marched through central London on Saturday, demanding a new referendum and to have a say on the government's final Brexit deal with the EU. Young voters led the People's Vote march to London's Parliament Square, which supporters say attracted approximately 700,000 protesters, BBC News reports. The Metropolitan Police said it was not able to estimate the size of the crowd.

papa smurf · 22-10-2018, 11:52

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Originally Posted by Damien

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brexit-...ay-2018-10-20/

I'm sure if you get your googling finger out you will find the real figure from a reputable source .

**Mick** · 22-10-2018, 11:56

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Bit touchy this morning aren't we Brexiters ?

. All going to plan ? What was the plan btw ?? Any answers greatly received by HM Govt. !

The plan is to leave the EU in it's entirety, not a hard question at all. It's just Remain imbeciles in government, trying to thwart the result with project fear and delay tactics, but you knew that already, you are so disingenuous Mr K.

**Damien** · 22-10-2018, 12:04

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

I'm sure if you get your googling finger out you will find the real figure from a reputable source .

I did Google and the only source for the Met Police making any statement on the crowd size says they cannot estimate the numbers. The only time I see the number is on Brexit Twitter with them all claiming they're Met Police numbers but no original source for the number. Looks like a made-up fact passing around the Internet.

**Mick** · 22-10-2018, 12:54

I like Papa’s assertion that 66 Million really couldn’t be bothered to protest on Sat.

Whether it’s 500,000 or a Million on Saturday. Democracy already prevailed on 23/6/2016.

Mr K · 22-10-2018, 13:08

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Originally Posted by Mick

I like Papa’s assertion that 66 Million really couldn’t be bothered to protest on Sat.

Whether it’s 500,000 or a Million on Saturday. Democracy already prevailed on 23/6/2016.

Did it really when only a quarter of the population voted for Brexit? And as we've seen it could mean a wide variety of different outcomes, which we have no say over? Would you be happy with Brino deal, which seems more likely by the day ? Or would you like the opportunity to reject that? People aren't asking for another Brexit referendum, they are asking for a vote on the deal, which Brexiters don't seem to understand/ignore.

Dave42 · 22-10-2018, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Did it really when only a quarter of the population voted for Brexit? And as we've seen it could mean a wide variety of different outcomes, which we have no say over? Would you be happy with Brino deal, which seems more likely by the day ? Or would you like the opportunity to reject that? People aren't asking for another Brexit referendum, they are asking for a vote on the deal, which Brexiters don't seem to understand/ignore.

disagree no deal looking more like everyday as no way will it get past parliament with all the government infighting getting worse each day rumours are pm only 2 letters away from a leadership challenger and no deal disaster for UK