Brexit (Old)

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by denphone

l know your thoughts on the EU as that is as obvious to anybody.

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And that is what HMG has said as l would not place my trust in what they say just as much as l would not place my trust in what the EU says either.

So you don't trust the EU either. You are obviously a very confused person.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So you don't trust the EU either. You are obviously a very confused person.

l am not confused l can assure you as l am pragmatic in my thinking generally about a good many things.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by denphone

l am not confused l can assure you as l am pragmatic in my thinking generally about a good many things.

But in this thread, nothing pragmatic has come forth from you. Just rhetoric.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Of course it does, it also takes a bit of give and take on both sides. So far the EU have given nothing.
Go figure.

That's exactly what we should be worried about. Our position is weak, and we've had to keep changing our 'red lines'. The EU have been consistent, have the strength of 27 countries, and have barely budged.
27 versus 1, not good odds, work it out...

We've blinked first, many times and will keep blinking/delaying/'transitioning', as the economic reality becomes apparent and we try to postpone an economic crisis.

People really need to have a serious think about what this means for themselves and their families. A 'We won', 'you lost' footy game this isn't -we all lose whichever way we voted. This inept divided Govt. is exactly what we don't need at the moment.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

That's exactly what we should be worried about. Our position is weak, and we've had to keep changing our 'red lines'. The EU have been consistent, have the strength of 27 countries, and have barely budged.
27 versus 1, not good odds, work it out...

We've blinked first, many times and will keep blinking/delaying/'transitioning', as the economic reality becomes apparent and we try to postpone an economic crisis.

People really need to have a serious think about what this means for themselves and their families. A 'We won', 'you lost' footy game this isn't -we all lose whichever way we voted. This inept divided Govt. is exactly what we don't need at the moment.

We have, indeed, been very accommodating. Hopefully, if we have to leave without a deal, the electorate will remember this. At least Thersa May will be able to say, with considerable conviction, that she tried her best.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We have, indeed, been very accommodating. Hopefully, if we have to leave without a deal, the electorate will remember this. At least Thersa May will be able to say, with considerable conviction, that she tried her best.

We're more or less on the same side, OB. But sometimes you come out with claptrap. I'm sorry to say she played it wrong and may not even know that now. Unless she's been a scheming Remainer all along.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

We're more or less on the same side, OB. But sometimes you come out with claptrap. I'm sorry to say she played it wrong and may not even know that now. Unless she's been a scheming Remainer all along.

I assume you are not seriously suggesting that TM hasn't tried her absolute best to get an agreement with the EU? Surely, you are not agreeing with that?

TM was a Remainer, but she has made it very clear that she will implement the will of the electorate. As for whether she's played it wrong, maybe you should sit back and see what happens.

We are broadly on the same page, Seth, but really you need to put yourself in Theresa May's shoes, but in a masculine sort of way

If she were to have to crash out of the EU without a deal, she would be criticised by Remainers for not having tried hard enough had she not been as accommodating as possible.

She is positioning herself for a win-win scenario. If we have to put up with a no deal, she will get the backing of the Brexiteers and she will be able to claim (rightly) that she tried her best to get an accommodation with the EU.

If she does get a deal that doesn't breach our red lines, she will be able to claim that her tactics have paid off.

What else could you possibly expect, apart from total capitulation to the EU?

I assure you, I do not speak claptrap, as you will start to appreciate as events unfold.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Mr K

That's exactly what we should be worried about. Our position is weak, and we've had to keep changing our 'red lines'. The EU have been consistent, have the strength of 27 countries, and have barely budged.
27 versus 1, not good odds, work it out...

We've blinked first, many times and will keep blinking/delaying/'transitioning', as the economic reality becomes apparent and we try to postpone an economic crisis.

People really need to have a serious think about what this means for themselves and their families. A 'We won', 'you lost' footy game this isn't -we all lose whichever way we voted. This inept divided Govt. is exactly what we don't need at the moment.

Another way of looking at it. Those who still support leave have won the battle (to leave the EU), but the UK will lose the war (becoming isolated).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Angua

Another way of looking at it. Those who still support leave have won the battle (to leave the EU), but the UK will lose the war (becoming isolated).

Isolated? From whom, exactly?

Originally Posted by Angua

Another way of looking at it. Those who still support leave have won the battle (to leave the EU), but the UK will lose the war (becoming isolated).

Poetic, but equally misguided fantasy/fiction.

One wonders how we ever managed prior to the 70's, when we were not in any corrupted union.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

Poetic, but equally misguided fantasy/fiction.

One wonders how we ever managed prior to the 70's, when we were not in any corrupted union.

you mean when we were sick man of Europe right

Originally Posted by Dave42

you mean when we were sick man of Europe right

Oh please, is that the best come back you got?

Very disingenuous to say the least.

That label has been passed about from pillar to post and back again - all within countries who are currently EU Member States, so go figure, hell in fact, the EU was also given the same label, now that I can believe.....

[heero_yuy]

Quote from Dave42:

you mean when we were sick man of Europe right

We were branded that AFTER we joined the EU then subsequently under the Callaghan Labour government in the late 70's.

Older members here have first hand experience of those years.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

We were branded that AFTER we joined the EU then subsequently under the Callaghan Labour government in the late 70's.

Older members here have first hand experience of those years.

Just to remind - those were the Arthur Scargill days (which were only defeated in the '80s by Margaret Thatcher) and his ilk from the hard left.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

We were branded that AFTER we joined the EU then subsequently under the Callaghan Labour government in the late 70's.

Older members here have first hand experience of those years.

Erm, no.

We were called it when the 3 day week came into force, which was early 74 (I was there too) - before the EEC referendum.