Brexit (Old)

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Angua

Nope, just injecting a bit of reality into the simplistic assumptions of those who still support hard Brexit. We are still connected by a tunnel regardless, or should this be blown up?

I voted leave, I did not vote for complete separation between us and the EU.

With all the problems Brexit has thrown up I wish I and others who have since changed their minds had voted to stay.

I hate to give you the bad news but you actually do not exist! All Leave voters know what they voted for and that includes a Hard Brexit.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Angua

I voted leave, I did not vote for complete separation between us and the EU.

Well then you should have educated yourself.

With all the problems Brexit has thrown up I wish I and others who have since changed their minds had voted to stay.

It's not a question of changing your minds. You and other like you, who failed to make an informed decision are the ones that got us into this mess and now you're whinging about it.

Suck it up, and take responsibility for your actions.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by pip08456

The way we leave? I'm sorry but I voted to leave in it's entirety, no half in or out.

Any future deals will be up to the EU and our own negotiating team. Deals can be done but on our terms not theirs.

Thanks for this, I haven't laughed so much in ages.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I hate to give you the bad news but you actually do not exist! All Leave voters know what they voted for and that includes a Hard Brexit.

All Leave voters should have known what they voted for because a Hard Brexit is all that was on offer.

in the run up to the vote there was no discussion of a Hard or Soft Brexit. All discussions advised that we would be leaving the SM & CU.

Hard or Soft Brexit only came into being the minute after the result was know. It was actually first phrased by Nick Glegg.

It was immediately wheeled out by Remainers as a mechanism to stay in the EU in some fashion by staying in the SM and thereby being in the EU in all but name.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You also need to factor in the 16/17 year olds how were not able to vote in 2016 plus the, put delicately,"loss" of 100,000's of Leave voting older people.

The demographic momentum is against Leave ..

This I think is what is making those who still support leave so shrill.

Originally Posted by ianch99

You also need to factor in the 16/17 year olds how were not able to vote in 2016 plus the, put delicately,"loss" of 100,000's of Leave voting older people.

The demographic momentum is against Leave ..

Disingenuous to suggest all young people would vote Remain - they would not - not that it matters - we had a vote in 2016, I missed out voting in the first referendum back in the 70's - you cannot factor age when people were ineligible because they were too young to vote - do we keep having votes every time people become of age to vote, such a factor is nonsensical??

I know many young people who would have voted to leave the corrupted EU.

Especially when they realise that youth unemployment is absolutely dire in other EU Member States, above 40% in some quarters and the corrupted EU isn't doing a damn thing about it.

So this age factor you speak of is irrelevant, as I and many others got to miss out on the referendum to join the Economic Bloc, as it was known back in the 70's. I missed out on voting for specific parties back in the 80's. That's life.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well then you should have educated yourself.

It's not a question of changing your minds. You and other like you, who failed to make an informed decision are the ones that got us into this mess and now you're whinging about it.

Suck it up, and take responsibility for your actions.

So I guess we won't see you in London on Sat 20th Oct then?

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march

If you change your mind, make sure you wear something distinctive ..

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well then you should have educated yourself.



It's not a question of changing your minds. You and other like you, who failed to make an informed decision are the ones that got us into this mess and now you're whinging about it.

Suck it up, and take responsibility for your actions.

Yet it would seem those of us who foolishly voted for a pig in a poke, and have since changed our minds should suck it up.

Well we won't and it seems the negotiators are trying to achieve more of what we want than what you want.

Originally Posted by ianch99

So I guess we won't see you in London on Sat 20th Oct then?

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march

If you change your mind, make sure you wear something distinctive ..

Another pointless and pathetic march that will not do a damn thing. What a waste of time it will be.

I hope it pisses down on that day.

But alas - a pointless day when, we are still leaving the EU - there will not be another Referendum and that is exactly how it should be - we had a vote, we do not keep having votes because the dummy spitters, toy thrown out of pram folk, didn't like the end result of the first one.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So I guess we won't see you in London on Sat 20th Oct then?

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march

If you change your mind, make sure you wear something distinctive ..

No, Because I was on the losing side. I accepted the result a long time ago, I'm looking forward not back.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I hope it pisses down on that day.
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Originally Posted by Angua

This I think is what is making those who still support leave so shrill.

Please stop thinking - you voted to leave the EU but then suddenly forgot what that meant, if you cannot think for yourself, then stop thinking for others.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Disingenuous to suggest all young people would vote Remain - they would not - not that it matters - we had a vote in 2016, I missed out voting in the first referendum back in the 70's - you cannot factor age when people were ineligible because they were too young to vote - do we keep having votes every time people become of age to vote, such a factor is nonsensical??

I know many young people who would have voted to leave the corrupted EU.

Especially when they realise that youth unemployment is absolutely dire in other EU Member States, above 40% in some quarters and the corrupted EU isn't doing a damn thing about it.

So this age factor you speak of is irrelevant, as I and many others got to miss out on the referendum to join the Economic Bloc, as it was known back in the 70's. I missed out on voting for specific parties back in the 80's.

Twisting words again I never said "all young people would vote Remain"

I just reminded the audience that 70+% of people under 24 voted to Remain and 60+% of people over 65 voted to Leave so since 2016 there would be a significant swing to Remain.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Another pointless and pathetic march that will not do a damn thing. What a waste of time it will be.

I hope it pisses down on that day.

But alas - a pointless day when, we are still leaving the EU - there will not be another Referendum and that is exactly how it should be - we had a vote, we do not keep having votes because the dummy spitters, toy thrown out of pram folk, didn't like the end result of the first one.

I guess you won't be there either .. damn ..

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Mick

Please stop thinking - you voted to leave the EU but then suddenly forgot what that meant, if you cannot think for yourself, then stop thinking for others.

No I live with someone who thinks this way.

Even Daniel Hannan, a prominent leave MEP told the voters there would not be this "hard brexit" you refer to and that we would still be able to work with the common trade agreement.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The majority voted to leave, plain and simple. Do you actually know a single leaver who wants to remain in the Customs Union? People were sold free trade deals, getting back sovereignty, no longer being subject to the ECJ and no more free movement. The remainers complain that, for example, nobody was asked about the customs union. That is true, but given the acceptance of arguments about forging new trade deals, how would a customs union actually permit that?

You are deliberately attempting, with all the others who voted to remain, to muddy the waters and introduce irrelevant arguments that you may feel are issues or ways of getting a u-turn. However, the vast majority of remainers are not at all concerned about those arguments. They voted to leave the EU. Leavers do not misunderstand what 'leave' actually means.

What clear and utter gibberish as its a tiny minority who asked for a U turn so don't keep bloody insulting and patronising those who did vote remain.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Twisting words again I never said "all young people would vote Remain"

I just reminded the audience that 70+% of people under 24 voted to Remain and 60+% of people over 65 voted to Leave so since 2016 there would be a significant swing to Remain.

Sorry, (well actually I'm not sorry) I don't believe that rubbish - especially when the data set I use, goes on the actual result taken in 2016, the one that counts and is the one that is being enacted on.