Brexit (Old)

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Angua

Notice the thread title has changed as well.

None of us know what sort of arrangements might be agreed with the EU. It is clear that no matter what the Leave supporters may wish, the Remain supporters are not going to go away or stay quiet. Only time will tell.

Why should they go away as their opinion is just as legitimate as those who voted to leave and after all this is supposed to be a democracy where people can air their views without being putting in the clink for having a opinion.

[Angua]

Oh I don't disagree.

Just odd how defensive those who still support leaving are, over any sort of discussion from those who would rather stay.

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by Angua

Oh I don't disagree.

Just odd how defensive those who still support leaving are, over any sort of discussion from those who would rather stay.

Yes because they are challenging and trying to overturn democracy and that is insulting to those of us who choose to leave !! Brexit is happening whether they like it or not and they need to accept that and move on.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by djfunkdup

Yes because they are challenging and trying to overturn democracy and that is insulting to those of us who choose to leave !! Brexit is happening whether they like it or not and they need to accept that and move on.

I and many other only discussing the way we LEAVE the EU there is nothing wrong with people having concerns about the way we leave.

and what happens if parliament votes against all possible deals not saying it will happen but could

[Sephiroth]

There was a very amusing letter in yesterday's Torygraph. It said that when May said she would give the UK the Brexit they voted for, she meant that we would be 52% out and 48% in.

Chequers sort of delivers that which supports suggestions that she has always had a Remain agenda and this is the closest she can get without scuppering Brexit altogether.

It would help if the debate moved to comparing the merits and risks as between Chequers and Canada Plus, including the Northern Ireland question.

There is no doubt that an open border is a must and that customs operations can be handled without having border checks. But the way the EU has handled this, and Varadka in particular, leaves just as little doubt that the EU is being mischievous (or nasty) in trying the split the UK and/or keep it all in the Customs Union via a backstop .

So there's much to debate. I for one support what I take to be Mick's position (and that of Varoufakis) that the EU managers don't do democracy. That is a very serious matter and we are right to leave. And will the EU come up with something as other realities become clear? I just hope that they offer Canada Plus with open border but technical customs controls (and random stops inside the borders) and we use the transition period to put all this in place.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What you have chosen to ignore is that Varoufakis and I agree on the non-democratic behaviour of the EU. You should debate that with me.

That I favour Leave and Varu favours Remain is a difference between us.

We do coincide in one respect - as I have said before. If we remain, we must play for reform, my picador sticks.

You do know what the purpose of the Picador is in Bullfighting? His job is to thrust a lance into the bull to weaken via loss of blood before it being killed by the Matador.

I cannot think of a more inappropriate analogy for a relationship with a trading partner.

[Mr K]

Is this about Bullfighting now ? Maybe change the thread title again?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You do know what the purpose of the Picador is in Bullfighting? His job is to thrust a lance into the bull to weaken via loss of blood before it being killed by the Matador.

I cannot think of a more inappropriate analogy for a relationship with a trading partner.

This is why you can be so annoying. Instead of embracing the metaphor, you nitpick on the ultimate purpose of a picador stick in bull fighting.

On the other hand, I'll settle for your definition if it really ends up with the EU imploding.


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Originally Posted by Mr K

Is this about Bullfighting now ? Maybe change the thread title again?

You too. Nitpicking.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

This is why you can be so annoying. Instead of embracing the metaphor, you nitpick on the ultimate purpose of a picador stick in bull fighting.

On the other hand, I'll settle for your definition if it really ends up with the EU imploding.


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You too. Nitpicking.

Me annoying?

Can you explain how you "embrace this metaphor"? The words are designed to illustrate an adversarial relationship, not a constructive one .. which is I suppose is your intent.

[Gavin78]

The EU is corrupt plain and simple. Wasn't there a reporter killed recently who was investigating tax evasion and allsorts of other stuff? of course the EU said her death wasn't anything to do with that.

The only things worried about leaving the EU is the deep pockets of these large corporations who might actually have to pay their way once we leave and not get anymore back handers over the little people.

I can't wait, we need a national two fingers to Europe day every year to celebrate leaving. Thats if there is still an EU once we leave

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

The only things worried about leaving the EU is the deep pockets of these large corporations who might actually have to pay their way once we leave and not get anymore back handers over the little people

Ah, so Brexit will make the big companies pay their fair share?

So you mean a law like this one that is planned by the EU and one that Mogg & co. would ensure is never, in a month of sundays, attempted here once we leave.

EU proposes online turnover tax for big tech firms

The European Commission proposed rules on Wednesday to make digital companies pay more tax, with U.S. tech giants such as Google (GOOGL.O), Facebook (FB.O) and Amazon (AMZN.O) set to foot a large chunk of any bill

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

The EU is corrupt plain and simple. Wasn't there a reporter killed recently who was investigating tax evasion and allsorts of other stuff? of course the EU said her death wasn't anything to do with that.

The only things worried about leaving the EU is the deep pockets of these large corporations who might actually have to pay their way once we leave and not get anymore back handers over the little people.

I can't wait, we need a national two fingers to Europe day every year to celebrate leaving. Thats if there is still an EU once we leave

Nope, the EU is against tax evasion, the privileged elite who campaigned for Brexit are in favour of it. Please pass on my regards to Mr Galloway.

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Originally Posted by Angua

Oh I don't disagree.

Just odd how defensive those who still support leaving are, over any sort of discussion from those who would rather stay.

I truly don't get it. We're leaving the EU 29/3/19. No one here is disputing it so I struggle to see what the problem with a full and frank discussion on the issues around it causes. This is the UK; not North Korea or Venezuela.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Me annoying?

Can you explain how you "embrace this metaphor"? The words are designed to illustrate an adversarial relationship, not a constructive one .. which is I suppose is your intent.

There you have it. The relationship, if we stayed in, would need to be adversarial because the EU needs reform for all the reasons I've given before; German hegemony; French protectionism (CAP); ever closer union - to name three. We've tired for many years to be constructive and those charlatans, for example, turned the WTD debate from a veto-able topic into a majority vote topic by re-introducing it as a Health & Safety measure - at French protectionist instigation.

Indeed, the need those picador sticks sticking right where the sun don't shine, that's how arrogant the EU ruling class have become.

As for that perfidious Varadka, I hope he pays the price for his perfidy when we leave the EU and his farmers face the consequences of EU intransigence to protect their 'theological' dedication.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Dave42

I and many other only discussing the way we LEAVE the EU there is nothing wrong with people having concerns about the way we leave.

and what happens if parliament votes against all possible deals not saying it will happen but could

The way we leave? I'm sorry but I voted to leave in it's entirety, no half in or out.

Any future deals will be up to the EU and our own negotiating team. Deals can be done but on our terms not theirs.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by pip08456

The way we leave? I'm sorry but I voted to leave in it's entirety, no half in or out.

Any future deals will be up to the EU and our own negotiating team. Deals can be done but on our terms not theirs.

Right on, pip! So many people don't get it, do they?