Brexit (Old)

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by pip08456

That's Mr K's problem. He lost all credibility with his continuous "tongue in cheek" remarks.

Eh please remind me when he actually ever had any in the first place ? Iv been here 9 years and failed to ever see it lol

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, that won't happen!

It might be an unintended consequence of a 'hard Brexit', maybe not immediately, but a break up of the UK would be more likely.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ervatives-warn

Theresa May is being warned by cabinet colleagues that a shift towards a harder Brexit will hasten the break-up of the UK, amid a renewed attempt by Brexiters to secure a clean split from the European Union.

With senior Tories warning that the prime minister now risks a diplomatic calamity on the scale of the Suez crisis, following her disastrous Salzburg summit, she is facing a renewed campaign among ministers and influential backbenchers to ditch her current plans and back a looser free trade deal with the EU.

However, some cabinet ministers are concerned such a shift will effectively place a border between Northern Ireland and Britain and put it “in the departure lounge from the UK”. Cabinet sources are also warning that such a move would reignite the debate about Scotland’s place in the UK and further unravel the union. “Nobody voted Brexit to break up the UK,” one minister said. [Another said: “Those advocating [the free trade deal] approach need to face up to the consequences for the union.”

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It might be an unintended consequence of a 'hard Brexit', maybe not immediately, but a break up of the UK would be more likely.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ervatives-warn

Some wild speculation in that report. The DUP would never accept such a position, and nor would the Government.

A solution to the border issue will be found. We just have to wait now for the EU to look at this positively with a view to finding a solution that they can live with rather than constantly rejecting Britain's proposals out of hand.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Some wild speculation in that report. The DUP would never accept such a position, and nor would the Government.

A solution to the border issue will be found. We just have to wait now for the EU to look at this positively with a view to finding a solution that they can live with rather than constantly rejecting Britain's proposals out of hand.

The solution also has to avoid splitting the Tory party. This is the knife edge May is stuck on.

Wondering who has the paddles,where the map is and who took the canoe?

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Wondering who has the paddles,where the map is and who took the canoe?

Spot on.

[1andrew1]

Theresa May’s team plot snap election to save Brexit
PM faces new cabinet battle over immigration
Theresa May’s aides have secretly begun contingency planning for a snap election in November to save the Brexit talks and her job after EU leaders rebuffed the prime minister’s Chequers plan.

Two senior members of May’s Downing Street political operation responded to her summit humiliation in Salzburg last week by “war-gaming” an autumn vote to win public backing for a new plan.

In a telephone conversation on Thursday evening one of them said to another Tory strategist: “What are you doing in November — because I think we are going to need an election.”

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2...dNfp_times.PNG
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...exit-7gs8nxs2h

[Angua]

Interesting pod cast from Kent Radio's Jason Hunter.

Explains how ill prepared the Government is for Brexit is compared to the EU.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Some wild speculation in that report. The DUP would never accept such a position, and nor would the Government.

A solution to the border issue will be found. We just have to wait now for the EU to look at this positively with a view to finding a solution that they can live with rather than constantly rejecting Britain's proposals out of hand.

Hardly wild speculation, it's a quote from a cabinet minister. I suspect the Chancellor, he seems to one of the few in TMs rabble to have his head half screwed on.

And why should the EU come up with any solutions ?
We're the ones that want the change, up to us to solve the issues and make sure proposals are workable and acceptable to all.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Wondering who has the paddles,where the map is and who took the canoe?

The paddles were confiscated as they didn't adhere to the EU policies regarding shape, length and type of varnish.

The map was only a rough sketch in the sand, which sadly got washed away with the next incoming tide.

There is confusion regarding the canoe. A canoe was ordered initially, but there are now various expert opinions that we may need either a canoe, a kayak, or even a coracle

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Hardly wild speculation, it's a quote from a cabinet minister. I suspect the Chancellor, he seems to one of the few in TMs rabble to have his head half screwed on.



And why should the EU come up with any solutions ?
We're the ones that want the change, up to us to solve the issues and make sure proposals are workable and acceptable to all.

Because they want a deal as much as we do, and they certainly don't want to endanger the peace process in Northern Ireland.

I suspect that the quote, if it was actually made, was in jest rather than in all seriousness.

As far as a General Election is concerned, TM has categorically stated that there will not be one, so why there is so much speculation about this is hard to fathom. A leadership election maybe, but certainly not a General Election with Labour apparently doing well in the polls. What a dangerous move that would be.

Given the unrest in the Conservative Party after the EU's rejection of Chequers, I really do think TM should announce at the Conservative Party Conference that we are going to go for a Canada type trade agreement. This would get tne country behind her.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Because they want a deal as much as we do, and they certainly don't want to endanger the peace process in Northern Ireland.

I suspect that the quote, if it was actually made, was in jest rather than in all seriousness.

As far as a General Election is concerned, TM has categorically stated that there will not be one, so why there is so much speculation about this is hard to fathom. A leadership election maybe, but certainly not a General Election with Labour apparently doing well in the polls. What a dangerous move that would be.

Given the unrest in the Conservative Party after the EU's rejection of Chequers, I really do think TM should announce at the Conservative Party Conference that we are going to go for a Canada type trade agreement. This would get tne country behind her.

I love how optimistic you are over this.

I am not sure the EU either need or have to do anything, they are not the ones exiting from 750 treaties.

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by Angua

I love how optimistic you are over this.

I am not sure the EU either need or have to do anything, they are not the ones exiting from 750 treaties.

Just as optimistic here as well.

Don't worry,after we leave they will all come chapping at our door trying to sell their products/industry/pie in the sky ideas ..

Just chill it will be fine and everything will work out fine.it always did/does

Onwards and upwards ..

187 days 10 hrs 26 min and 10 seconds

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Wondering who has the paddles,where the map is and who took the canoe?

Originally Posted by Carth

The paddles were confiscated as they didn't adhere to the EU policies regarding shape, length and type of varnish.

The map was only a rough sketch in the sand, which sadly got washed away with the next incoming tide.

There is confusion regarding the canoe. A canoe was ordered initially, but there are now various expert opinions that we may need either a canoe, a kayak, or even a coracle

Well, Boris thinks he can walk on water, Rees-Mogg will stand on the heads of his staff, Davis (being ex-Special Forces) can hold his breath for 5 hours, so there’s no need for any canoe, and anyone who says there is a need for a canoe is obviously a traitorous ‘enemy of the people’ who is trying to overturn a democratic decision and ‘talking down’ our glorious efforts...

[Sephiroth]

An article in today’s Sunday Telegraph puts it rather well:

1. May has been treating the negotiations as political.
2. The EU has been treating the negotiations as theological.
3. Violating the theology (Brexit) is heresy and must be treated as such.

So I say:

Any Brit who sides with the EU’s approach needs to re-evaluate.

Any Brit who wants to remain under this theology and behaviour should clear off if they can’t accept the Referendum result.

Any Remainer who doesn’t agree that the EU approach is theological is entitled to their opinion, but is reminded of the Referendum result.

Macron is acting as if he is the new Merkel and that is worse because his country is well up shit creek and he should fix that first.

Jeez, why do you Remainers want to have any part of that?