President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by ianch99

When you said "religious liberty (deeply held beliefs) will trump all else" I assumed you meant in a broader sense. If you just meant it in relation to people's religious objections to do business with LGBT people, fair enough.

Firstly sorry for the ridiculous delay in making the reply to you. I didn't mean to just disappear from this discussion, so my apologies - though I always remember to return to posts.

Umm yes on the latter as far as religious beliefs but it is an absolute that is to the discretion of the religious person, nobody else really gets to dictate what that objection is - your faith is your own.

Just because someone is passionate about their rights doesn't make them a "whore". Expand to "gay whore" and do a web search for this and you enter a whole new realm

Your use of a derogatory term just deflects from your argument, bit of an own goal really ..

Yeah and if I am being honest it was some frustration that caused me to use terminology that I know that I shouldn't have.

Some of the time when I know what a term is, I don't use it (like with Damien, I knew that what Kennedy did was to issue a writ of Mandamus - that is when a superior court tells one lower to it that it must follow such a ruling as setting judicial precedent) but I kind of felt like lashing out a bit so I explained to Damien that lower courts will "do as they are told" instead.

I didn't like his objection to Christianity being anything but an absolute...Christian principles are not some kind of negotiating or bargaining chip - our principles are not something that we can or would reconcile with whatever takes someone else's fancy.

In regards to prostituting a single cause above all else, I really don't know what the corresponding term would be, the way that Mandamus is used when discussing administrative and procedural acts. I don't expect you to be well versed in that so I did explain it to Damien, all be it in a condescending way - like I said, I felt like lashing out, some. (Also I know when I am 100% correct, that was one of those instances). I know that I won't know the word I am looking for here in regards to the way that people try take a "pet" issue and make it their one and only cause (is pet a better word for it?) but I know that "whoring" might come off as meaning something totally different.

Again, even with that argument I didn't mind if it deflated the point some, because I knew that I was correct. It was acerbic and distasteful, so I am sorry. I will try be less abrasive in the way that I communicate.

That was the other reason that I didn't bother to post a while. Seeing everything go up in smoke for the leave side, over the EU vote made it easier than saying "I told you so" about May. Almost everyone (other than OB) now universally hates her. What got to me though, was the way that I was formulating the argument in my own head...I saw it as a "see you can never break Christian spirit the way you can just crush nationalism" and I started getting disappointed in myself for beginning to belittle those that disagreed with me. (Like the back of the line stuff etc). I can get along with most people and I got annoyed at myself for thinking "well Christians will never compromise but clearly nationalism can be sold up the river"..so I stopped posting and calmed down a while.

May split the dummy and got her cabinet to agree on Chequers. The ones who have some principle, resigned. Others who don't (like Gove) sold out like 2 dollar....okay I am going to try keep it cleaner. That was easy to predict and obvious to most. However no Christian would ever do the same ; if you are a Christian you are never going to "settle" your conscious to comply with absurd nonsense. (Numerous examples, like the Hobby Lobby case, little sisters of the poor etc) all gave the idea that as Christians we were just going to idly sit by and just part take in very unchristian things I felt like a clear example did need to be shown of someone who does break.

That is not, never has been and never will be Christians...I was just speechless at someone like Damien suggesting that would ever be the case, so I lashed out some.

That was the reason for some of my sultry language. So please accept my apologies.

Oh dear..... China hacked Hillary Clinton’s Private Email Server during her whole tenure as Secretary of State according to Daily Caller

A Chinese-owned company operating in the Washington, D.C., area hacked Hillary Clinton’s private server throughout her term as secretary of state and obtained nearly all her emails, two sources briefed on the matter told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/c...linton-server/

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mick

Oh dear..... China hacked Hillary Clinton’s Private Email Server during her whole tenure as Secretary of State according to Daily Caller



https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/c...linton-server/

Let's hope she didn't keep any official documents on it

[Lutherf]

There is also a story out today that the FBI may have first leaked stories to the press and then used those stories to obtain FISA warrants.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-warrants.html

If they did this in relation to the Carter Page warrants then it's likely that any evidence obtained from those warrants will be inadmissible in court. That would, for all practical purposes, make the entire Mueller probe a moot point.

You trust Fox news?

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You trust Fox news?

I trust the congressmen who have seen the unredacted FISA applications.

FISA Abuse occurred under the Obama Administration.

You trust BBC News and post links from it all the time - Not many people trust the BBC, given what they did to Sir Cliff Richard. I do not for various other reasons, so why should I trust the links YOU provide???

We could extend this further to other news outlets - none of them are perfect.

What a strange tweet.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Big Election Wins last night! The Republican Party will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Actually, it is happening faster than anybody thought possible! It is morphing into KEEP AMERICA GREAT!

1:23 pm · 29 Aug 2018

So Republicans had big wins in Republican Primaries - Republican vs Republican...

They also had big losses - in every Primary, Republicans lost (sometimes more than one...).

[Stephen]

But actual facts don't matter to him.

As weird as his tweet claiming anonymous source stories should be ignored as they are all fake.

Like all his tweets stating some people or many people or I've heard from a reliable source.

And his son carries on the family tradition...

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr

“The experts” said it couldn’t be done. This is what happens when you have a real leader and businessman in The White House. @realDonaldTrump’s policies are working. 4.2% Baby!!!

Boom! US economy logs best performance in nearly 4 years.

29/08/2018 14:53

Except...

No ‘expert’ said a quarter of 4.2% growth "couldn't be done."

It was previously done in 4 different quarters under President Obama, with one difference -

The growth in those four quarters was higher - 4.5%, 4.7%, 4.9%, 5.1%.

Just the facts, ma’am, just the facts...

[Stephen]

More alternative facts from the Trumps.

[Stephen]

Trump has now gone on a further Twitter rant but has written it as if it's an official WH statement

.STATEMENT FROM THE WHITE HOUSE

President Donald J. Trump feels strongly that North Korea is under tremendous pressure from China because of our major trade disputes with the Chinese Government. At the same time, we also know that China is providing North Korea with...

....considerable aid, including money, fuel, fertilizer and various other commodities. This is not helpful! Nonetheless, the President believes that his relationship with Kim Jong Un is a very good and warm one, and there is no reason at this time to be spending large amounts...

...of money on joint U.S.-South Korea war games. Besides, the President can instantly start the joint exercises again with South Korea, and Japan, if he so chooses. If he does, they will be far bigger than ever before. As for the U.S.–China trade disputes, and other...

...differences, they will be resolved in time by President Trump and China’s great President Xi Jinping. Their relationship and bond remain very strong.

Don't know what to say about that.

Sigh. Probably best if you and Hugh stop performing the same shit of dissecting every Trump tweet going. This is not what this thread is for.

This thread is under consideration for closure, we are not having a running commentary on everything Trump says and does over the next 4/8 years. President Obama never had a running commentary thread.

This is no longer a viable discussion topic and has just become a rolling hate blog. This is not a blog site.

[Stephen]

Obama didn't feel the need to tell the world everything he did or thought.

Also last time I checked the title was president Trump. So anything about him goes. It's not off topic.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Obama didn't feel the need to tell the world everything he did or thought.

Also last time I checked the title was president Trump. So anything about him goes. It's not off topic.

No and I am glad Obama didn't because he was a boring and useless president, making red line threats and not crossing them, having a dodgy DOJ that decides to clear one presidential candidate despite lots of evidence of her obvious guilt and go after the other (Trump) with no evidence and even going to so far to fabricate it with the fake Russian dossier, paid for by the corrupted Democrats and Crooked Hillary Clinton, they weaponised the DOJ and they should be held accountable.

I am well aware of what the thread title is, I typed it. It doesn't say anywhere in the topic "The "I hate" President Trump blog."

If I decide to close this thread, that is my prerogative, not only as the thread starter but, you know, being one of the site owners...

[Mr K]

Maybe we could call it 'the Trump Appreciation thread' ?