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Old 26-07-2018, 14:50   #376
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Re: VM loses UKTV channels

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Sensing now the time to get VM at its weakest no doubt..... Really don't watch ITV, rather have UKTV, but each to their own and the more choice, the better.

Beginning to think this outcry over UKTV is partly because we don't really make sitcoms any longer (the ones we do are terrible) - there's a large market for them. Steptoe/Dads Army/Porridge/Only Fools/Likely Lads/Fawlty Towers, are classics and do stand up to repeating. People need a bit of cheering up these days.
Absolutey. As I said earlier, the UKTV dispute will have repercussions far beyond the removal of these ten channels as other channel providers take advantage of the situation. I had assumed that the ITV thing had gone away (VM probably did too) and that the next major supplier to threaten to remove their channels would be Sky.

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Perhaps more ominous news regarding UKTV..

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...as-row-deepens
Obviously designed to put pressure onto UKTV to accept a deal.
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Old 26-07-2018, 14:56   #377
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Think you're wrong there OB, have a look at the official support forum...
Yep they are pretty vocal on there..
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Absolutey. As I said earlier, the UKTV dispute will have repercussions far beyond the removal of these ten channels as other channel providers take advantage of the situation. I had assumed that the ITV thing had gone away (VM probably did too) and that the next major supplier to threaten to remove their channels would be Sky.

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Obviously designed to put pressure onto UKTV to accept a deal.
they not budging one bit still say it very unlikely they be back on twitter and keep telling people to move to sky bt or talk talk
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I think VM know that this is how most people feel. The objections we are hearing are from a vocal minority.

I certainly have never worried that the UKTV channels were in the package I pay for, and I will be happy for those who miss them if a deal can be done, but I don't blame Virgin for standing firm on the rip off arrangements that previously applied.

I have no inside information, but I reckon what is likely to happen now is:

1. Ofcom makes clear to UKTV that it will not permit them to make their free channels available to other plarforms without charge but not to Virgin Media. This is patently unfair practice. They should tell UKTV to address that without delay if they don't want to risk censure. That move alone should bring back Dave, Dave ja vu, Drama, Home, Really and Yesterday to our screens.

2. It should rule that UKTV was in breach of an agreement with VM in that it failed to deliver the required 'on demand' content in line with their contractual commitments (assuming that they find that as a fact).

3. It should rule that negotiations in respect of Virgin's stance with regard to UKTV's premium channels and on demand content should remain an issue for negotiations between the parties.

I'm sorry, but I think the anger towards Virgin Media is misplaced because they have right on their side. People should be attacking UKTV for the present state of affairs.

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Yes, Ofcom needs to review the rules as a matter of urgency. This has become a fast evolving industry and Ofcom appears not to be keeping up. If ITV has certain privileges as a public service provider, it needs to behave like one.

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I agree. A deal is likely to be forthcoming sooner rather than later, I feel.
This issue is gaining momentum by the day, I've never known such an outcry over channel removals from a platform. Not ever.

Even if, for the sake of argument, we are to assume that VM are right, they have clearly not thought of the bigger picture. The right thing to do is not always the correct thing to do.
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Should posts about ITV channels leaving be kept to the relevant thread?
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Old 26-07-2018, 15:03   #381
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IF ITV went, surely that would constitute a break in contract for the customer?!
Another possible repercussion that VM have not taken into sccount. If the clause in the contract allowing them to remove channels with nothing that customers can do about it is found to be unfair, it will have to be removed of amended.

This could mean that, in the future, even the removal of something minor like a shopping channel could allow customers to leave within contract without financial penalty.
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Yep they are pretty vocal on there..
I know. They are indeed the vocal minority. It's not the numbers so much as the proportion of subscribers out of the 4 million or so.
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I know. They are indeed the vocal minority. It's not the numbers so much as the proportion of subscribers out of the 4 million or so.
Vocal minority or not they still pretty representative of Virgins wider customer base one suspects.
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I know. They are indeed the vocal minority. It's not the numbers so much as the proportion of subscribers out of the 4 million or so.
Its the quiet people you have to watch out for.
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Can’t be bothered waiting for them to sort this UKTV (and now ITV) business out, so I’m ditching VM TV and going back to Sky.

While talking to the VM Retention’s agent, it seems that there’s lots and lots of others doing the same.

This debacle is gong to bite VM where it hurts.
They deserve all they get after this a complete shambles

I feel sorry for those who've just taken new contracts they'll have to hope the price rise letters get sent out so they can cancel that way
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Another possible repercussion that VM have not taken into sccount. If the clause in the contract allowing them to remove channels with nothing that customers can do about it is found to be unfair, it will have to be removed of amended.

This could mean that, in the future, even the removal of something minor like a shopping channel could allow customers to leave within contract without financial penalty.
Which would be stupid, right?

Let's not over-react. Carriage disputes like this go on all the time in the US.

It has happened before between Sky and Virgin. Sky almost had its Discovery channels dropped barely a few months ago.

The TV industry is now under threat from the global streamers, and whether we like it or not, the telcos have to respond. They cannot afford to keep paying channels sky high prices for their content when all the content on providers like Netflix can be had for under a tenner.

I am afraid it is UKTV who are in denial.
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They deserve all they get after this a complete shambles

I feel sorry for those who've just taken new contracts they'll have to hope the price rise letters get sent out so they can cancel that way
I have just taken a new contract out and a very good deal it is, so I am very happy as VM still carry everything I need.
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Can’t be bothered waiting for them to sort this UKTV (and now ITV) business out, so I’m ditching VM TV and going back to Sky.

While talking to the VM Retention’s agent, it seems that there’s lots and lots of others doing the same.

This debacle is gong to bite VM where it hurts.
Are you in contract?
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Which would be stupid, right?

Let's not over-react. Carriage disputes like this go on all the time in the US.

It has happened before between Sky and Virgin. Sky almost had its Discovery channels dropped barely a few months ago.

The TV industry is now under threat from the global streamers, and whether we like it or not, the telcos have to respond. They cannot afford to keep paying channels sky high prices for their content when all the content on providers like Netflix can be had for under a tenner.

I am afraid it is UKTV who are in denial.
What in hell are liberty global doing?

Discovery (who part own UKTV) and liberty global BOTH own All3Media.

liberty global own 9.9% of ITV.
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Are you in contract?
No, although the offshore reception agent I first spoke to tried to suggest I was, until the facts were (politely) put to her.

And to further annoy, the Retentions agent tried to give me a different (higher) price for keeping landline and broadband than I was quoted two days ago. She only backed down when I told her I’d be requesting a recording of the original call to take to Ofcom.
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