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Old 13-07-2018, 19:24   #301
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The BBC don't own all the rights to their shows.
Perhaps so, but that doesn't mean that contracts can't reflect what the BBC wants to do in terms of showing these programmes.

A few years ago, there were restrictions on which programmes could be made available on demand and through catch-up. Now, that requirement is built into the carriage agreements and pricing structure.

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OB - if streaming is the future and linear channels will be dying , how come BT Sports UHD is to become a linear channel
Because this is the now, not the future.
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Perhaps so, but that doesn't mean that contracts can't reflect what the BBC wants to do in terms of showing these programmes.

A few years ago, there were restrictions on which programmes could be made available on demand and through catch-up. Now, that requirement is built into the carriage agreements and pricing structure.

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Because this is the now, not the future.
In reality, your prophecy can never be proven to be wrong unless you give a time limit.
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In reality, your prophecy can never be proven to be wrong unless you give a time limit.
If you go back to all my posts on this, you will see that I have been looking towards 2035 (originally 20 years ahead but less now)!

It will be a gradual process at first, but that will speed up as fast broadband speeds become available throughout the country and more people become used to on demand viewing. The reduction in audience levels for the conventional TV channels will lead to reduced advertising revenues and ultimately, these channels will start closing down.

Some have said that the BBC won't be affected as they don't carry commercials, but even they are working on the basis that in 15 years' time' streaming and on demand viewing will be the focus.

Others have said that we will always see conventional channels for showing sport, but we can all see the trend towards streaming of live sport - the new Eleven Sports streaming service being the latest example.
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Because this is the now, not the future.
Still singing from that same old unsubstantiated hymn sheet l see OB.

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Others have said that we will always see conventional channels for showing sport, but we can all see the trend towards streaming of live sport - the new Eleven Sports streaming service being the latest example.
Only in your mind as there is no trend at all unless you think a few cheap tat bargains!!! in the bargain basement are the latest example of that..
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If you go back to all my posts on this, you will see that I have been looking towards 2035
So why did you say "BT Sport UHD is the first of our new UHD channels, and remarkably, it is a conventional rather than a streamed channel, which is very interesting"?
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Still singing from that same old unsubstantiated hymn sheet l see OB.

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Only in your mind as there is no trend at all unless you think a few cheap tat bargains!!! in the bargain basement are the latest example of that..
I have provided links to substantiate what I have posted on here over a long period, and I would remind you that the BBC recently stated that they were looking to transitioning to on demand after the next licence review. You may not believe it, which is fine, Den, but it is not 'unsubstantiated', which is what your view of the position is.

Of course there is a growing trend towards the streaming of live sports programmes! What are you on about?

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So why did you say "BT Sport UHD is the first of our new UHD channels, and remarkably, it is a conventional rather than a streamed channel, which is very interesting"?
The only reason being that it seemed sensible to make UHD viewing available via streaming and on demand. UHD takes up considerable bandwidth and so I would guess that there would be a limit to the number of UHD conventional broadcast channels that could be made available. Additionally, concern has been expressed about how much UHD you can record given the upper capacity on a V6 box is 1TB - although you did reassure me on that point a few weeks ago.

I guess that technology advances are overcoming problems faster than we imagine sometimes!
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Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Live Sports have been streamed for a long while you talk about it like it's something new , it still doesn't mean Sport on linear channels delivered by DTT , Satellite , Cable etc is going anywhere anytime soon.
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I have provided links to substantiate what I have posted on here over a long period, and I would remind you that the BBC recently stated that they were looking to transitioning to on demand after the next licence review. You may not believe it, which is fine, Den, but it is not 'unsubstantiated', which is what your view of the position is.

Of course there is a growing trend towards the streaming of live sports programmes! What are you on about?
What with small bargain packages which are the cheap tat packages and are of little relevance to the main big sports rights packages which are all on leading TV channels now and in the future which you find very hard to take in...
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UHD takes up considerable bandwidth
All the more reason to broadcast it.

Think about this. Let's say BT Sport UHD is 20Mbps, and a million people want to watch it simultaneously.
1) If it's streamed, how much bandwidth does it need?
2) If it's broadcast, how much bandwidth does it need?
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All the more reason to broadcast it.

Think about this. Let's say BT Sport UHD is 20Mbps, and a million people want to watch it simultaneously.
1) If it's streamed, how much bandwidth does it need?
2) If it's broadcast, how much bandwidth does it need?
I believe currently BT Sport UHD and Sky Sports UHD is around 30Mbps.
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What with small bargain packages which are the cheap tat packages and are of little relevance to the main big sports rights packages which are all on leading TV channels now and in the future which you find very hard to take in...
Your future goes about two weeks ahead, Den!

So the BBC i-Player and Eurosport Player offer 'cheap tat'?

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Live Sports have been streamed for a long while you talk about it like it's something new , it still doesn't mean Sport on linear channels delivered by DTT , Satellite , Cable etc is going anywhere anytime soon.
I didn't say 'soon', but in a decade the trend will be undeniable. Most TV industry experts support this view.

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All the more reason to broadcast it.

Think about this. Let's say BT Sport UHD is 20Mbps, and a million people want to watch it simultaneously.
1) If it's streamed, how much bandwidth does it need?
2) If it's broadcast, how much bandwidth does it need?
Ok, you've convinced me!
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Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Is VM not using switched video yet?

If there are bandwidth limitations, it doesn't make any sense to broadcast all tv channels to each customers home when only the requested channels could be sent over IP?
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Here we have the reason why there are not more high profile sports being streamed currently. However, they are working on it!

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20180715...#axzz5LLzJ7nYm
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Is VM not using switched video yet?
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If there are bandwidth limitations, it doesn't make any sense to broadcast all tv channels to each customers home when only the requested channels could be sent over IP?
IP delivery only makes sense for channels with a very small number of viewers.
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All the more reason to broadcast it.

Think about this. Let's say BT Sport UHD is 20Mbps, and a million people want to watch it simultaneously.
1) If it's streamed, how much bandwidth does it need?
2) If it's broadcast, how much bandwidth does it need?

But how does that scale?


Virgin has demonstrated that it has the capacity for at least 2 broadcast UHD channels. What if demand increases and there are 10, 20 or even more UHD channels? Does Virgin have enough capacity to broadcast that many?
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