The state benefits system mega-thread.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Theresa May wouldn't sack anyone, even if they were stabbing her in the back at the time like BoJo and Rees-Mogg tend to do.

Don't think anyone would notice, Esther who??

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Theresa May wouldn't sack anyone, even if they were stabbing her in the back at the time like BoJo and Rees-Mogg tend to do.

You do understand the delicate political balance that exists in the Cabinet, don't you, Andrew? That comment is not worthy of you.

[denphone]

Absolute claptrap as if a politician lies its very simple you resign if one has any integrity or honour no matter what party it is.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

Absolute claptrap as if a politician lies its very simple you resign if one has any integrity or honour no matter what party it is.

It is not claptrap, Den, it is the political reality. TM has to retain a delicate political balance until Brexit is finalised, at least in terms of setting out our proposals in the White Paper.

Once that is done, she will have more flexibility. Hence her reason for having taxi companies put on alert during today's meeting at Chequers. Today is crunch time.

[denphone]

It amazes me OB that you preach that politicians should behave with the upmost propriety and yet you are willing to accept the impropriety of a cabinet minister.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

It amazes me OB that you preach that politicians should behave with the upmost propriety and yet you are willing to accept the impropriety of a cabinet minister.

That's a big assumption you made there, and it's not true. That was not the point I was making - I was explaining why Boris could not easily be sacked up until today. But I think you knew that!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You do understand the delicate political balance that exists in the Cabinet, don't you, Andrew? That comment is not worthy of you.

Fortunately, Theresa May followed a more assertive stance on Friday and I hope that her reinstatement of joint cabinet responsibility will lead to a more effective government. We were the laughing stock of the World when Boris scarpered off to Afganhistan to evade the Heathrow vote and I don't want to see that kind of banana-state tomfoolery continue.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Fortunately, Theresa May followed a more assertive stance on Friday and I hope that her reinstatement of joint cabinet responsibility will lead to a more effective government. We were the laughing stock of the World when Boris scarpered off to Afganhistan to evade the Heathrow vote and I don't want to see that kind of banana-state tomfoolery continue.

Of course she did, she is now in a position to assert her authority!

I think you will see a lot more spunk in Theresa now that we've reached this point.

I'm very surprised that some posters on here have such a dark spot when it comes to political reality.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Of course she did, she is now in a position to assert her authority!

I think you will see a lot more spunk in Theresa now that we've reached this point.

I'm very surprised that some posters on here have such a dark spot when it comes to political reality.

She was in a position to before, she just left it to the last minute. It's called being Prime Minister!
Insisting Boris voted for Heathrow would not have altered Friday's outcome. He doesn't have the following he once had and will never be PM.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

She was in a position to before, she just left it to the last minute. It's called being Prime Minister!
Insisting Boris voted for Heathrow would not have altered Friday's outcome. He doesn't have the following he once had and will never be PM.

Theresa has been hampered throughout by the lack of a parliamentary majority and divisions within her own party over Brexit. It is worth mentioning that there are similar divisions within Labour.

All this nonsense about Theresa May being weak! Watch this space! She will be accused of being dictatorial soon!

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Theresa has been hampered throughout by the lack of a parliamentary majority and divisions within her own party over Brexit. It is worth mentioning that there are similar divisions within Labour.

All of her own doing of course.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

All this nonsense about Theresa May being weak! Watch this space! She will be accused of being dictatorial soon!

Take your political blinkers off for once OB and learn a bit of balance and unbiasedness in your posts as thus so far all we seem to be getting is a party political broadcast by the Old Boy channel...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

All of her own doing of course.

Well, yes, she called the election, precisely because she didn't have a comfortable majority. What would you have done in her position?

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Originally Posted by denphone

Take your political blinkers off for once OB and learn a bit of balance and unbiasedness in your posts as thus so far all we seem to be getting is a party political broadcast by the Old Boy channel...

You are a fine one to talk about balance, Den! All I'm trying to do is talk about reality, whereas your agenda is what? To shoot everyone down who disagrees with your perspective?

Ok, at least we know!

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, yes, she called the election, precisely because she didn't have a comfortable majority. What would you have done in her position?

She made things far worse by calling the GE as instead of listening to those spin doctors she should of realised the grass is not always greener on the other side.

Personally there is no way l would of called a election but alas l am just a simple uneducated pleb so what do l know..

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are a fine one to talk about balance, Den! All I'm trying to do is talk about reality, whereas your agenda is what? To shoot everyone down who disagrees with your perspective?

Ok, at least we know!

Nothing to do with balance , perspective or agenda as l don't have any particular agenda as l have criticised both party leaders in equal measure as they are both as bad as each other IMO as politics currently is in a deep hole which in general politicians have dug for themselves through their duplicitous and self serving ends..

l don't shoot down anyone as l just say it as it is and if one does not like it then they have the problem as l certainly don't have one.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

She made things far worse by calling the GE as instead of listening to those spin doctors she should of realised the grass is not always greener on the other side.

Personally there is no way l would of called a election but alas l am just a simple uneducated pleb so what do l know..

So, you would not have called an election, despite the fact that the polls appeared to be in your favour and the lack of a decent majority was hampering all efforts to bring the malcontents in the party to heel so you could get a deal with Brussels? I get it, I do.

But my question was, what would you have done? You can't go around criticising everyone else if you don't have a credible plan of your own.

So what would have been your way out of this predicament? Just give in, I suspect. In which case, it's just as well you don't have to rely on votes to survive.

Politics is a dirty business, and no place in which to exist if you have high and mighty principles that are out of touch with reality. Just ask Jeremy about his position on tuition fees. He knows.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So, you would not have called an election, despite the fact that the polls appeared to be in your favour and the lack of a decent majority was hampering all efforts to bring the malcontents in the party to heel so you could get a deal with Brussels? I get it, I do.

Are you that gullible to believe everything you read and hear?.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So what would have been your way out of this predicament? Just give in, I suspect. In which case, it's just as well you don't have to rely on votes to survive.

No l would have not given in.

Non politicians don't need votes as thankfully l am not one of the current duplicitous politicians that reside in Westminster.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Politics is a dirty business, and no place in which to exist if you have high and mighty principles that are out of touch with reality. Just ask Jeremy about his position on tuition fees. He knows.

The public want politicians they can believe and trust and not some of the current insincere rabble that pass for politicians currently in this country..