Brexit discussion - Page 158

ianch99 · 07-03-2018, 09:30

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, sorry, launch, but it does make me curious as to why so many people expect democracy but don't accept the referendum result! This continual resistence to what people have voted for is a bit wearing.

I think that many who criticise the free market do, in fact, want Communism, but if that is not your position, I accept that, of course. However it would be good if when people criticise, they should set out what they would do instead. That would certainly help understanding.

You mean like this?

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Originally Posted by ianch99

There is a lot of discussion on following the pros & cons of the Nordic Model:

Not perfect but a good starting point?

BTW, you can call me 'launch" if you like

No worries ..

OLD BOY · 07-03-2018, 10:36

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Originally Posted by ianch99

You mean like this?

BTW, you can call me 'launch" if you like

No worries ..

Yes, like that. And sorry for calling you launch! A visual dysfunction on my part!

1andrew1 · 07-03-2018, 10:56

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I find it amusing that this man actually seems to believe that Theresa May is aware that her Brexit stance will never be accepted but is just 'kicking the can down the road', with only one more year to go before it will happen.

Such nonsense. If she knew for sure she was not getting a deal from Europe, she would be preparing now for a no-deal Brexit, and she would be going all out to prepare industry for that as well.

These were silly comments and I would expect better from a half competent journalist.

Those of us following events closely know Robert to be correct. Today, reports state that the UK's plea for services to be included in any free trade deal will be rebuffed. So, the UK will get its transition deal and an offer of a Canada-style deal for goods but this won't be accepted by Parliament so the UK will stay in transition mode, something that the EU will accept as we'll abide by its rules and continue funding it.

heero_yuy · 07-03-2018, 12:11

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Quote from The Sun:

David Davis has vowed that rebel MPs who could try and vote down the final Brexit deal will not be able to overturn the referendum decision to leave the EU.

The Brexit Secretary said even if the Government lost a “meaningful” vote in Parliament on the agreement secured by Theresa May from Brussels - we would still be quitting the bloc as planned.

One of the ways anti-Brexit campaigners have identified as a possible route to halting our exit is for the Prime Minister to lose a vote in the House of Commons.

They have suggested it would be an effective vote of no confidence in Mrs May, would prompt her resignation, lead to another election and a possible second referendum.

But speaking to a committee of MPs Mr Davis said he did not see it that way, adding: "I don't view a meaningful vote as overruling the referendum if that's what you mean."

The Cabinet minister also said the government would not stop planning for a no-deal Brexit scenario even if agreement on a transitional period is reached with the EU later this month.

Same story available in the Gruniad for the snobs.

1andrew1 · 07-03-2018, 12:25

Confirmation today that Theresa May's suggestions have been knocked back. As others have said, her speech was really aimed at her own party and not the EU. To that extent, her speech was successful.
https://www.ft.com/content/f1411812-...1-0e8958b189ea
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

denphone · 07-03-2018, 12:30

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Same story available in the Gruniad for the snobs.

Have you got any labels for those that read the other papers.

heero_yuy · 07-03-2018, 12:53

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Have you got any labels for those that read the other papers.

Plenty. But most are not family forum friendly.

ianch99 · 07-03-2018, 15:09

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Same story available in the Gruniad for the snobs.

Glad to see the grown up attitude to forum posting is alive and well in Worthing

OLD BOY · 07-03-2018, 18:35

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Those of us following events closely know Robert to be correct. Today, reports state that the UK's plea for services to be included in any free trade deal will be rebuffed. So, the UK will get its transition deal and an offer of a Canada-style deal for goods but this won't be accepted by Parliament so the UK will stay in transition mode, something that the EU will accept as we'll abide by its rules and continue funding it.

No, he's not! This is just the EU's opening gambit, like the £100bn + that they were demanding at the beginning of the first round.

jonbxx · 07-03-2018, 19:47

The EU never demanded €100bn, that was an estimate by the FT and was before rebates and and money that was due to be sent back to the UK. See https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-divorce-bill/

denphone · 07-03-2018, 19:52

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

The EU never demanded €100bn, that was an estimate by the FT and was before rebates and and money that was due to be sent back to the UK. See https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-divorce-bill/

Full Facts more like the truth rather then some make belief fairy story.

ianch99 · 07-03-2018, 19:55

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

The EU never demanded €100bn, that was an estimate by the FT and was before rebates and and money that was due to be sent back to the UK. See https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-divorce-bill/

Facts .. facts .. STOP IT NOW! We don't deal with facts in this universe, only Faith-based claims

Seriously though, I worry that the Tories inward reflection and obsession with holding their Party together is distorting their objective assessment of reality.

We knew all along that the EU27's priority is to ensure the survival of the European project and if this means a financial hit then so be it.

No cake, no cherries and no champagne then ..

OLD BOY · 07-03-2018, 20:15

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

The EU never demanded €100bn, that was an estimate by the FT and was before rebates and and money that was due to be sent back to the UK. See https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-divorce-bill/

What's this then?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#6633346732f8

David Davis flatly dismissed Brussels demands for a £92billion (€100billion) divorce bill today after it emerged Germany, France and Poland had ganged up to inflate the sum.

EU negotiators have doubled the charge the UK was thought to be facing in order to cover farm subsidies and plug the giant hole in its budget up until 2020.

jonbxx · 07-03-2018, 20:19

I don’t think Philip Hammond has received the latest hymn sheet. Here’s what he said today on the EUs draft guidelines in the upcoming trade talks;

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The EU is a very skilled negotiator. They’ve done this many times [before] - not precisely this, but they’ve negotiated agreements with many countries. They are very skilled, very disciplined in the way they carry out their negotiation. And it does not surprise me remotely that what they’ve set out this morning is a very tough position. That’s what any competent, skilled, experienced negotiator would do.

OLD BOY · 07-03-2018, 20:21

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

I don’t think Philip Hammond has received the latest hymn sheet. Here’s what he said today on the EUs draft guidelines in the upcoming trade talks;

I cannot see anything to disagree with there. This is why we are keeping our cards close to our chests, much to the annoyance of the press and remainers.