Brexit discussion

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Repeating the names of protectionist countries like China, the USA and India is not a serious debate.

Clearly, it doesn't suit your argument to talk about trade deals with these countries. I understand, Andrew, it must be a difficult position for you to maintain.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Clearly, it doesn't suit your argument to talk about trade deals with these countries. I understand, Andrew, it must be a difficult position for you to maintain.

the point is OB they are protectionist countries and a deal will suit them more than us it not be as easy as Brextremists say it will be

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

the point is OB they are protectionist countries and a deal will suit them more than us it not be as easy as Brextremists say it will be

If you took that defeatest view every time you had an opportunity you'd never get anywhere, Dave.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If you took that defeatest view every time you had an opportunity you'd never get anywhere, Dave.

there protectionist countries OB they not suddenly gonna change just for UK are they be realist man

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If you took that defeatest view every time you had an opportunity you'd never get anywhere, Dave.

Countries most likely to sign trade deals are small developed countries. Developing countries like China and India don't want their industries and services to face well-developed competition. China even bans Facebook and Google so free trade is a long way down its list of priorities. The US is traditionally protectionist in many ways and more so under Trump.

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Boris's apparent lack of honouring his commitments is not going down well in Ireland!

Boris Johnson trying to revoke promise of no border after Brexit
Boris Johnson is trying to renege on a British promise to ensure the Irish border with the North remains seamless.
In a letter written to UK Prime Minister Theresa May, the British Foreign Secretary says "it is wrong to see the task as maintaining 'no border'" on the island of Ireland after Brexit.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36651385.html

Matters got off to a bad start on Radio 4 earlier in the day when he compared the border issue in Ireland to crossing between London boroughs, forcing Theresa May to come to his rescue.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

there protectionist countries OB they not suddenly gonna change just for UK are they be realist man

Have you forgotten the Chinese visit already, Dave?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-post-brexit/

Donald Trump is anxious to strike a deal with the UK and......wait! No amount of good news will stop all this negativity. I guess we'll just have to wait and you'll see for yourself!

Protectionism will obviously rear its ugly head, but there are plenty of areas to exploit that will be mutually beneficial. Financial service agreements with China are particularly attractive for us.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Countries most likely to sign trade deals are small developed countries. Developing countries like China and India don't want their industries and services to face well-developed competition. China even bans Facebook and Google so free trade is a long way down its list of priorities. The US is traditionally protectionist in many ways and more so under Trump.

I don't believe that the US is a small developed country and you conveniently forget that Donald Trump has an affinity for the UK and has promised us a trade deal.

Theresa May has received some positive vibes from China and has managed to get some good commitments from them. Australia and New Zealand want a trade deal and India too looks promising.

All of this will add to the trade we currently have with the EU and other countries, so why you and other EU protagonists are so down on the idea of leaving the EU is hard to fathom. It's simply betraying an utterly defeatist mentality that assumes the worst possible outcome in the new relationship with the EU and the countries outside the EU blocking our every move to arrive at trade deals that would be of benefit to us.

You will be proved wrong on this, Andrew. This dystopian view you have of our future is worthy of a fantasy novel.

Who needs to read fantasy novels and fiction, when there is pages of the failed doom and gloom predictions, right here on this forum, and people can read it for free....

[denphone]

You could also call it democracy and free speech which we should be proud to have in this country.

The Government and the EU has proposed that Northern Ireland will stay in the Customs Union in the event of no deal

Originally Posted by denphone

You could also call it democracy and free speech which we should be proud to have in this country.

That's really hilarious given the attempt by many to thwart the democratic result that was decided.... by trying to demand another referendum.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't believe that the US is a small developed country .

No one has said that. The rest of your statement is just pure fantasy island, as divorced from reality as Claire Foy is divorced from Stephen Campbell Moore.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from Damien:


The Government and the EU has proposed that Northern Ireland will stay in the Customs Union in the event of no deal

That's an EU proposal that has been rejected by May and the DUP out of hand.

Quote from BBC News:


An EU proposal for the Northern Ireland border threatens the "constitutional integrity" of the United Kingdom, Theresa May has said.

A draft legal agreement published by the EU proposes a "common regulatory area" on the island of Ireland after Brexit, if solutions cannot be found.

Mrs May said "no UK prime minister could ever agree" to this.

The EU says the controversial "backstop" option is not intended to "provoke" the UK.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

That's an EU proposal that has been rejected by May and the DUP out of hand.

My mistake. I had read it as the terms of the beginning of the deal.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

That's really hilarious given the attempt by many to thwart the democratic result that was decided.... by trying to demand another referendum.

By a few l would say as most have accepted the Brexit result but that does not mean people should accept any old Brexit agreement willy nilly as people want a agreement suitable for all the country and not just for some and a agreement that makes us prosper and not end up in the poorhouse for the next 10 years.

Originally Posted by denphone

By a few l would say as most have accepted the Brexit result but that does not mean people should accept any old Brexit agreement willy nilly as people want a agreement suitable for all the country and not just for some and a agreement that makes us prosper and not end up in the poorhouse for the next 10 years.

There is no such thing as 'any old brexit agreement' The choices on the ballot paper were clear, leave or stay, not stay half in, half out.