Brexit discussion - Page 130

Bircho · 05-02-2018, 19:08

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Denial that this country can stand on its own two feet, as incidentally we did pretty well for centuries before we joined the then EEC.

We also fought plenty of wars and invaded loads of lands to make sure we kept that position as well. It started to go down hill when we started to pull out of everywhere I tell you. Watch out India, we're on our way back.

**Mick** · 05-02-2018, 19:48

Tory MP, Zac Goldsmith is claiming an 80 year old constituent who voted leave has been sent a letter threatening to be killed and signed it off with "The Real 48 Per cent".

https://twitter.com/ZacGoldsmith/sta...41047272112128

denphone · 05-02-2018, 19:59

Another warped nutter sadly who should be locked up with the keys thrown away.

OLD BOY · 05-02-2018, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Bircho

We also fought plenty of wars and invaded loads of lands to make sure we kept that position as well. It started to go down hill when we started to pull out of everywhere I tell you. Watch out India, we're on our way back.

Don't forget we have the Falkland Islands...

pip08456 · 05-02-2018, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Mick

Tory MP, Zac Goldsmith is claiming an 80 year old constituent who voted leave has been sent a letter threatening to be killed and signed it off with "The Real 48 Per cent".

https://twitter.com/ZacGoldsmith/sta...41047272112128

Totally disgusting. Whoever sent it should face lifetime in prison IMHO.

OLD BOY · 05-02-2018, 20:12

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

No10 has confirmed we will be leaving the customs union so no soft brexit as being out of that pretty much gaurantees full exit from the EU happy days

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But that shouldn't be a surprise. No new trade deals for us if we stay within the Customs Union.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Economies of scale. Suppliers tend to have one factory per continent making eg spark plus, tyres, etc. These are supplied to car plants across Europe. If you had to have one per economy - as you did 100 years ago- you don't gain the benefits of economies of scale that make cars affordable for lots of people.

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Jusging by your above post there's a chance it might have been.

Nowhere in my post did I say that trade deals with countries were impossible. I just cited the laws of economics which mean that deals with countries closer to hand outweigh those with far away countries. NZ is not a significant trading partner.
What makes you think that forecasts don't consider the potential upsdes? Is this another conspiracy theory or one you have some evidence on?

Well, the forecast chaos when we voted against staying in the EU didn't come to much, did it? That is not the only example by far.

Dave42 · 05-02-2018, 20:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But that shouldn't be a surprise. No new trade deals for us if we stay within the Customs Union.

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Well, the forecast chaos when we voted against staying in the EU didn't come to much, did it? That is not the only example by far.

we not left yet we still in EU so still got our deals chaos will come when we leave

**Mick** · 05-02-2018, 22:04

Isn't is amazing how when positive news about the economy, job numbers are up etc etc we get some Remainers claiming it's down to us not leaving th EU yet.

But when there is news of job losses, price hikes and similar kind of negative economy news, Brexit is instantly blamed, some people have weird logic that really is utterly priceless.

Doesn't make any difference to me, I would still vote to leave, every time!

1andrew1 · 05-02-2018, 23:53

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Originally Posted by Mick

Isn't is amazing how when positive news about the economy, job numbers are up etc etc we get some Remainers claiming it's down to us not leaving th EU yet.

But when there is news of job losses, price hikes and similar kind of negative economy news, Brexit is instantly blamed, some people have weird logic that really is utterly priceless.

Doesn't make any difference to me, I would still vote to leave, every time!

Don't want to dent your confidence but no one cares if it makes a difference to you or to me.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But that shouldn't be a surprise. No new trade deals for us if we stay within the Customs Union.
nohti

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Well, the forecast chaos when we voted against staying in the EU didn't come to much, did it? That is not the only example by far.

Unless you call interest rates rising, national debt payment being postponed for 10 years and the pound falling substantially against the Euro then yes, nothing happened.
Did Cameron et al pick the worse case scenarios? Yes. Did the Brexit guys pick impossibly good scenarios? Yes. That doesn't mean experts are wrong. Would you rather have Jim at No. 35 doing your heart bypass or someone who's qualified and skilled in the process doing it?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But that shouldn't be a surprise. No new trade deals for us if we stay within the Customs Union.

From those in the know it's a case of BINO - Brexit in name only.

Expect a customs union but called a customs alignment, a customs agreement etc. And nothing much will happen until 2020.

Carth · 06-02-2018, 00:39

Well if it all goes stupidly wrong because the people in charge do a backflip on Brexit, I'm gonna quit work, live on the dole and let some other mug pick up the tab.

oh, and free health care too on the NHS (or Jim at No. 35)

OLD BOY · 06-02-2018, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Dave42

we not left yet we still in EU so still got our deals chaos will come when we leave

But that's precisely what the remain campaign said would happen with a vote to leave, Dave. Project Fear. It didn't happen then and it won't happen now.

People can parrot this nonsense as much as they like, but they are losing credibility as people wake up to the truth.

1andrew1 · 06-02-2018, 08:53

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But that's precisely what the remain campaign said would happen with a vote to leave, Dave. Project Fear. It didn't happen then and it won't happen now.

People can parrot this nonsense as much as they like, but they are losing credibility as people wake up to the truth.

You fail to see the difference between a Government committed to Brexit which has produced cross-departmental reports and exaggerated campaigns from Vote Leave and Remain.
To put it another way, Project Fear is dead. We're now looking at reality.

heero_yuy · 06-02-2018, 10:02

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Quote from The Telegraph:

Leading pro-Europe Tory Anna Soubry has threatened to quit the party and form a new political alliance because of Brexit.

The former minister has called on Prime Minister Theresa May to "stand up to" arch Brexiteers like Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg and "slung 'em out".

She told BBC2's Newsnight: "If it comes to it, I am not going to stay in a party which has been taken over by the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson.

I'll get your coat.

One less undemocratic remoaner.

denphone · 06-02-2018, 10:11

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I'll get your coat.

One less undemocratic remoaner.

You will have to buy a awful lot of coats old bean as at the last count it amounted to 16,141,241 million so you better start saving now.

tweetiepooh · 06-02-2018, 10:23

Both sides speak with forked tongue and weasel words.

With a few exceptions politicians are seeking the best outcome for politicians.

I would expect differences though even within parties because our MP's represent differing constituencies that voted differently in the referendum and are affected differently. That said they should be working together to ensure the best outcome not flying off the rails with doom and gloom predictions and no solutions.