Brexit discussion

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So nothing to backup your constant assertions then Andrew and i doubt MrK will provide anything either and given your constant willingness to accept everything negative about the UK's prospects in the coming years you'll forgive me lmao at you trying to wrap yourself in the flag.

I'm not sure what you want from me and the rest of the forum. If you chose to believe that the pro-Brexit Government's analysis and also that provided by every economist except raving Patrick Minford is wrong because it doesn't fit your agenda, then there's little anyone can do to inform you on the laws of trade and economics. Let alone little old me.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So nothing to backup your constant assertions then Andrew and i doubt MrK will provide anything either and given your constant willingness to accept everything negative about the UK's prospects in the coming years you'll forgive me lmao at you trying to wrap yourself in the flag.

The govt. asked for a report, the evidence is there. They don't like the results as it's politically inconvenient, well facts are facts. Should we believe a slogan on the side of a bus more ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

You keep talking as though your stating facts which is clearly false and the opportunities for us out of the EU could eclipse the benefit of remaining within the EU and the UK being able to strike deals that benefit the UK is far better then what we currently have. That's putting aside things like a single european military and single european justice system which i and i would guess a great many more would not be happy with. The usual retort to that is "the UK has a veto" and the fact is senior EU figures have made it very clear that your either into all the plans they have or your out there will not be multi layered membership in relation to the grander plans.

Even if there were given how spineless and duplicitous our domestic politicians are they would sign everything including the veto away in future treaties had we stayed in. It's a big wide world out there and because of brexit we can fully engage with it and take advantage of the opportunities that exist.

What will we be selling them the day after leaving that we don't sell them right now?

Originally Posted by Mr K

Trump wouldn't let you in Mick, you're an alien. US first remember ? However there's always a home for you in the EU, well for a bit anyway...

Trump has no issues with immigration that’s legal. You did realise that didn’t you before posting yet another inaccurate insight?

[1andrew1]

Brexit attacks on civil service ‘are worthy of 1930s Germany’

In a stark assessment of the acute tensions developing over the issue, Andrew Turnbull, who led the civil service under Tony Blair, said that Whitehall officials had become the victims of “pre-emptive scapegoating” by Brexiters who feared they were losing the argument...
“‘Dolchstoss’ means ‘stab in the back’,” he said. “After the first world war there was an armistice, but the German army was then treated as the losers. Then, at the start of the Nazi era, the ‘stab-in-the back’ theme developed.
“It argued that ‘our great army was never defeated, but it was stabbed in the back by the civilians, liberals, communists, socialists and Jews’. This is what I think these critics are trying to do. They are losing the argument in the sense that they are unable to make their extravagant promises stack up, and so they turn and say: ‘Things would be OK if the civil service weren’t obstructing us’.
“When you don’t succeed, you find someone to blame for your failure.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-1930s-germany

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexit attacks on civil service ‘are worthy of 1930s Germany’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-1930s-germany

Oh look an irrelevant article from the grauniad. Well worth reading.... not.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Oh look an irrelevant article from the grauniad. Well worth reading.... not.

1.It's not irrelevant, it's about Brexit.
2. It's from The Observer not The Guardian.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What will we be selling them the day after leaving that we don't sell them right now?

Nothing seems to be the response on this forum.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's from The Observer.

You’re seriously coming back at me with this?

The Observer is the sister paper of the grauniad, from same parent company but more crucially, on same liberal political spectrum.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

You’re seriously coming back at me with this?

The Observer is the sister paper of the grauniad, from same parent company but more crucially, on same liberal political spectrum.

lol, no harm in accuracy or owning up to a minor mistake. Me pedantic, sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The govt. asked for a report, the evidence is there. They don't like the results as it's politically inconvenient, well facts are facts. Should we believe a slogan on the side of a bus more ?

Exactly. A reminder of the Government's analysis:

1. Gains from trade deals - upto plus 0.6%
New trade deals with third countries would not compensate for the loss of growth from Brexit
- Assuming a trade deal with the US would be concluded, it would benefit GDP by about 0.2 per cent in the long term.
- Assuming trade deals with other non-EU countries and blocs, such as China, India, Australia, the Gulf countries, and the nations of Southeast Asia would add, in total, a further 0.1 per cent to 0.4 per cent to GDP over the long term.

2. Loss from Brexit - up to minus 8%
2-8% per cent of growth over 15 years, depending on the hardness of Brexit.

The government requested thirty reports on possible scenarios and they are not all negative but it's funny only the negative one's get leaked or are you seriously suggesting the government only asked for one report. Nearly every government department has had reports commissioned on the effect of brexit but again only the one's that suit the anti brexit agenda get leaked when it comes to brexit this government has drowned themselves in reports at quite an expense so if we are going to have one released to the public lets have all of them not just the one's that suit.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What will we be selling them the day after leaving that we don't sell them right now?

There is only one answer to that TD.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What will we be selling them the day after leaving that we don't sell them right now?

A better question may be: Who will be selling it to them if we don't?


And in a quoted article from 1Andrew1 ...Andrew Turnbull, who led the civil service under Tony Blair . . . stopped reading it right there

Posted by Mr K
Trump wouldn't let you in Mick, you're an alien. US first remember ?

We could benefit from that kind of thinking - UK first sounds good to me

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Trump has no issues with immigration that’s legal. You did realise that didn’t you before posting yet another inaccurate insight?

Seriously Mick if you love the US so much, why don't you live there instead of moaning about how much you want our country to be the same ? We have much more in common with our biggest trading partner, the EU. Presumably you have skills to offer Trump and you are the right colour, from the right country, and worship the right God ?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Seriously Mick if you love the US so much, why don't you live there instead of moaning about how much you want our country to be the same ?

To be fair Mr K, the same thing could be suggested about those who love being in the EU.

Once the UK leave, it's only a short swim for those who still want to belong

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Carth

Once the UK leave, it's only a short swim for those who still want to belong

Unfortunately for us Carth, a lot of EU NHS staff have already decided to do that. Why stay where they're not wanted, when other countries welcome them?