Brexit discussion

[Carth]

Just the sort of people that would be in the frame for Big Brother, or that weird Jungle thing

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Call me old fashioned, but I'll stick with this country's hardworking civil servants and their analysis.

Indeed, our Civil Servants are very hard working and damned good at what they do.

The problem is that they are very much establishment figures, the majority of whom are left of centre to varying degrees in their politics.

I know from experience that they don't much like Conservative politicians and their ideas and so their reports and opinions can be rather negative at times.

Problem is, they seem to weigh up the cost of all the disadvantages they see without taking account of the considerable opportunities of getting out of this dreadful organisation of Eurocrats.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Indeed, our Civil Servants are very hard working and damned good at what they do.

The problem is that they are very much establishment figures, the majority of whom are left of centre to varying degrees in their politics.

I know from experience that they don't much like Conservative politicians and their ideas and so their reports and opinions can be rather negative at times.

Problem is, they seem to weigh up the cost of all the disadvantages they see without taking account of the considerable opportunities of getting out of this dreadful organisation of Eurocrats.

So what else does the report say? I take it you've seen a copy?

Cheers

Dave

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

So what else does the report say? I take it you've seen a copy?

Cheers

Dave

I think you sill find that most clear thinking people believe that if we obtain a good trade deal as the government says they want to achieve, then there will be little detriment, if any, to the UK. Add to that our ability to boost trade with the rest of the world, this will be a significant boost to our economy.

What all too many remainers can't see, or don't want to admit, is that the EU is holding us back, and there is a price to pay if we stay.

[Russ]

1st time I've posted in this thread. I voted leave.

Am I a racist bigot? Asking for a friend.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think you sill find that most clear thinking people believe that if we obtain a good trade deal as the government says they want to achieve, then there will be little detriment, if any, to the UK. Add to that our ability to boost trade with the rest of the world, this will be a significant boost to our economy

Funnily enough, the Netherlands Government has just released an impact assessment written for them by KPMG. Much of the focus isn’t tariff costs but non tariff barriers to trade such as customs declarations, regulatory reviews, etc. Shipments to or from third countries are estimated to cost between €78 and €127 per shipment before any tariffs are taken in to consideration. Another interesting fact is 35,000 Dutch businesses ship to the UK that have no experience of shipping to non-EU countries.

Oops, forgot link - https://www.government.nl/binaries/g...+of+Brexit.pdf

I would be surprised if the costs and number of businesses are less for the UK.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Russ

1st time I've posted in this thread. I voted leave.

Am I a racist bigot? Asking for a friend.

No, just very misled.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Russ

1st time I've posted in this thread. I voted leave.

Am I a racist bigot? Asking for a friend.

Tell your friend not to worry, all he has to do is smile and give a saucy wink when the 'other lot' tell you how bad they think it will turn out to be.

Originally Posted by Russ

1st time I've posted in this thread. I voted leave.

Am I a racist bigot? Asking for a friend.

Please tell your friend that it is possible to be a Leave voter without being a racist bigot.

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Originally Posted by Carth

Tell your friend not to worry, all he has to do is smile and give a saucy wink when the 'other lot' tell you how bad they think it will turn out to be.

Only do it occasionally- no need to be a total winker...

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mr K

No, just very misled.

Really? How have I been misled? Where was I originally hoping to be led to?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Please tell your friend that it is possible to be a Leave voter without being a racist bigot.

Well I really hope so.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

Really? How have I been misled? Where was I originally hoping to be led to?

Didn't think it was you that was asking

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Funnily enough, the Netherlands Government has just released an impact assessment written for them by KPMG. Much of the focus isn’t tariff costs but non tariff barriers to trade such as customs declarations, regulatory reviews, etc. Shipments to or from third countries are estimated to cost between €78 and €127 per shipment before any tariffs are taken in to consideration. Another interesting fact is 35,000 Dutch businesses ship to the UK that have no experience of shipping to non-EU countries.

Oops, forgot link - https://www.government.nl/binaries/g...+of+Brexit.pdf

I would be surprised if the costs and number of businesses are less for the UK.

The biggest lie for me during the referendum wasn't the bus is was Dave lying about the contents of a sixteen year old study on trade with the EU

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=884

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Indeed, our Civil Servants are very hard working and damned good at what they do.

The problem is that they are very much establishment figures, the majority of whom are left of centre to varying degrees in their politics.

I know from experience that they don't much like Conservative politicians and their ideas and so their reports and opinions can be rather negative at times.

Problem is, they seem to weigh up the cost of all the disadvantages they see without taking account of the considerable opportunities of getting out of this dreadful organisation of Eurocrats.

Bags of assumptions there on their political leanings and pretty much all wrong. I've met lots of civil servants. For their sins 90% voted Brexit and said it's the best thing ever to happen to their careers. Umlike most people on the UK. they're probably right. So if anything, their analysis would be pro-Brexit.

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Good news for hardworking Brits - common sense may be on the rise!

Theresa May’s Brexit advisers are secretly considering whether Britain could strike a customs union deal covering trade in goods with the EU, a move that would severely limit the UK’s ability to strike out on its own.
The Financial Times has been told by three UK officials that the discussions are “live” in Whitehall.

https://www.ft.com/content/f4775024-...0-9c0ad2d7c5b5

[Russ]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Didn't think it was you that was asking

Originally Posted by Russ

1st time I've posted in this thread. I voted leave

[TheDaddy]

Sorry, thought Mr K was replying to

Am I a racist bigot? Asking for a friend.

Originally Posted by Mr K

No, just very misled.

Rubbish, I, as a proud leave voter, do not in any way feel misled. I would vote leave, again and again and AGAIN!

To feel like we need to be associated with the corrupt EU, is in a more narrow minded way of thinking.

We certainly do not and leave that horrible and crap institution we must.