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Old 15-01-2018, 23:11   #46
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Do you have an advance copy of what he is planning to say?


A couple of months ago he addressed the globalist United Nations and told them off in no uncertain way. I lost count of the times that Trump said, 'Sovereign Nations'.
Well, he also said this, and how did that work out?
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"If I win I may never see my property -- I may never see these places again," Trump said at an August 2016 event. "But because I'm going to be working for you, I'm not going to have time to go golfing, believe me. Believe me. Believe me, folks."
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How many times has Trump played golf as President of the United States?

Since taking office on Jan. 20, 2017, Mr. Trump has reportedly been on the grounds of his golf courses or played golf elsewhere 95 times since becoming President, and that's as of Jan. 15, 2018...

...Trump has spent nearly 25 percent of his days in office at one of his golf properties for some portion of the day. There have been days where Trump has visited one of his golf clubs and not played golf. He made a 40-minute visit to his Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Va., and he has made a three-day visit to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., to watch the 2017 US Women's Open, unfolding at that club. Trump spent a 17-day "working vacation" at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., in August, which meant all of those days count as days on his golf courses, even though he didn't necessarily play golf on all of those days.
I may never see these places again" vs "25 percent of his days in Office"
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Yawn...

...Only 95 times/days... ?

Then there is the issue with ‘He has been seen or played golf 95 times.... ‘

So which is it, he has played golf 95 times or been seen at his golf ranches 95 times. Such a clumsy clumped up sentence that can be taken either way.

But only 95 times....Shocking... given there is approx 104 weekend days in the year.... and he has refused to take his salary, so it’s a bit of a none issue Hugh, or are denying a 72 year old time out to leisure at weekends?
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Yawn...

...Only 95 times/days... ?

Then there is the issue with He has been seen or played golf 95 times....

So which is it, he has played golf 95 times or been seen at his golf ranches 95 times. Such a clumsy clumped up sentence that can be taken either way.

But only 95 times....Shocking... given there is approx 104 weekend days in the year.... and he has refused to take his salary, so its a bit of a none issue Hugh, or are denying a 72 year old time out to leisure at weekends?
I think it's got more to do with him asking people to believe him when he said he wouldn't have time for golf rather than him having time of, call me old fashioned but I like politicians that tell the truth, especially when they've tried to convince people of what they say as being true and the not taking salary is the biggest red herring going, he is making fortunes out of being president, still if the feeble minded and gullible want to think otherwise that's their lookout not mine.
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Yawn...

...Only 95 times/days... ?

Then there is the issue with He has been seen or played golf 95 times....

So which is it, he has played golf 95 times or been seen at his golf ranches 95 times. Such a clumsy clumped up sentence that can be taken either way.

But only 95 times....Shocking... given there is approx 104 weekend days in the year.... and he has refused to take his salary, so its a bit of a none issue Hugh, or are denying a 72 year old time out to leisure at weekends?
Point. Missed. Completely.

He said he wouldnt have time to visit his golf courses as he would be too busy, but since being elected has spent twenty five percent of his time at his golf courses. Im not knocking him for having time off (who would deny a 72 year old time off), Im knocking him for saying one thing then doing another.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Also he did spend a lot of Obama's Presidency going on and on about how often Obama golfed. Just judging him by his own standards.....

Plus as TheDaddy points out he also spent the campaign talking about how much we wouldn't golf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0NZt_-eB9o

and yes it's not a big deal that he plays Golf but then it wasn't a big deal when Obama did it either.

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I think it's got more to do with him asking people to believe him when he said he wouldn't have time for golf rather than him having time of, call me old fashioned but I like politicians that tell the truth, especially when they've tried to convince people of what they say as being true and the not taking salary is the biggest red herring going, he is making fortunes out of being president, still if the feeble minded and gullible want to think otherwise that's their lookout not mine.
Countable on the fingers of one hand IMHO.
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Countable on the fingers of one hand IMHO.
And still have fingers left over.
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Point. Missed. Completely.

He said he wouldnt have time to visit his golf courses as he would be too busy, but since being elected has spent twenty five percent of his time at his golf courses. Im not knocking him for having time off (who would deny a 72 year old time off), Im knocking him for saying one thing then doing another.
Point not missed.

So bloody what Hugh?

Economy in America is booming, employees are getting a wage boost thanks to Trump tax cut policies that all these liberals said hed never manage to pass.

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I think it's got more to do with him asking people to believe him when he said he wouldn't have time for golf rather than him having time of, call me old fashioned but I like politicians that tell the truth, especially when they've tried to convince people of what they say as being true and the not taking salary is the biggest red herring going, he is making fortunes out of being president, still if the feeble minded and gullible want to think otherwise that's their lookout not mine.
Got proof hes making fortunes?

What you basing this information on exactly or you just being feeble minded like you are inaccurately claiming others to be, just because we refuse to align our way of thinking with yours ? Uh?

Go have a look how much former Presidents now make, esp Bill Clinton, hopefully that corrupt empire comes crashing down soon.

Bill Clinton recently tried to defend the revelations by Wikileaks that the Clinton Foundation paid for Chelsea Clintons wedding, he tweeted denying it but then he also denied having sexual relations while in office and look how those lies turned out for him.
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Point not missed.

So bloody what Hugh?

Economy in America is booming, employees are getting a wage boost thanks to Trump tax cut policies that all these liberals said hed never manage to pass.

There is a bunch of other things Trump has achived, but it's a waste of time listing them; the Trump haters don't care unless it's negative news.
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He's sure ruffling a few feathers and kicking up a storm.

It's good to see someone behaving in a way that doesn't fit into the little boxes of time honoured expectations. I'd rather have one trump than 50 yes men
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Point not missed.

So bloody what Hugh?
Isn't a bit hypocritical?

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What you basing this information on exactly or you just being feeble minded like you are inaccurately claiming others to be, just because we refuse to align our way of thinking with yours ? Uh?
Well other Presidents put their investments and other business interests into a blind trust. Trump was the first not to do so. Mar-a-Lago for example doubled it's membership fee after he became President and he is a regular attendee. Obviously Trump's supporters will say it's pure coincidence. He did the same for the New Years Party this year, confirming his attendance while the club hiked the fee to attend.

Remember that Clinton was giving speeches for donations to the Clinton foundation whilst Secretary of State that was considered a conflict of interest so I don't see how this is different other than it always being different when Trump's doing it. Just like Trump golfing is not the same as Obama golfing, the latter is skiving and the former is taking a holiday for example.

Anyway I think these are minor complaints. A politician being hypocritical and corrupt is hardly new.
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That's true enough. It's his naivety and unpredictability that worry me most of all.
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That's true enough. It's his naivety and unpredictability that worry me most of all.
And yet the weakness and incompetency from the leadership of Theresa May does not worry you. Strange.

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Isn't a bit hypocritical?
There's lots of it around so I don't care if it is or isn't.

The fact remains, U.S Economy is booming under Trump.

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Well other Presidents put their investments and other business interests into a blind trust. Trump was the first not to do so.
And I don't blame him if he is not legally obliged to do so, not when he has children he can hand his businesses over to, that's their inheritance at the end of the day.

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Mar-a-Lago for example doubled it's membership fee after he became President and he is a regular attendee. Obviously Trump's supporters will say it's pure coincidence. He did the same for the New Years Party this year, confirming his attendance while the club hiked the fee to attend.
I am pretty sure most places hike their fees up over the festive and new year period and the hike in his fees is a business decision led by his children.

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Remember that Clinton was giving speeches for donations to the Clinton foundation whilst Secretary of State that was considered a conflict of interest so I don't see how this is different other than it always being different when Trump's doing it.
The difference is the Clintons are being alleged to have been paid for favors and hence why the FBI has re-opened their investigation on the Clinton Foundation.

Last Friday, the Department of Justice unsealed their first set of indictments to an individual with links to the Uranium One scandal.
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And I don't blame him if he is not legally obliged to do so, not when he has children he can hand his businesses over to, that's their inheritance at the end of the day.
It was no threat to their inheritance. The blind trust is released back to the President after the completion of their term.

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I am pretty sure most places hike their fees up over the festive and new year period and the hike in his fees is a business decision led by his children.
Do you think the presence of the President of the United States might increase the value of the ticket?

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The difference is the Clintons are being alleged to have been paid for favors and hence why the FBI has re-opened their investigation on the Clinton Foundation.
And we'll see how that investigation develops. But here is how any corruption could happen. Clinton gives a speech for which she is paid to a business or foreign state. Later on Clinton makes a decision which benefits this business or state. At no point do they have formal proof of any link, no documentation exists, no communication. The speech? She was paid for that. The decision? That was later on.

This is why Presidents are expected to put their business interests into a blind trust so that there is not the opportunity for such a thing to happen. So someone who needs something from Trump doesn't do the Trump business a favor and suddenly finds a bit more interest for help from the White House.

It's so the defence doesn't have to be 'The fact Trump's children doubled the price of membership of Trump's golf course is nothing to do with the fact President Trump is often in attendence'
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And yet the weakness and incompetency from the leadership of Theresa May does not worry you. Strange.
What, you mean the same Theresa May who has got us to phase II of the Brexit negotiations that many thought would not happen?

TM botched the election and the Conservative Party Conference was a disaster. But given that there is now a minority government, of course there will be plenty of disagreements and a degree of difficulty in pushing things through. In the circumstances, she has done pretty well.

However, once Brexit is out of the way, they need to elect a good leader to relace her. Unfortunately, she cannot be trusted with another election.
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