Brexit discussion - Page 105

**Damien** · 11-01-2018, 16:39

This wasn't really good or bad news. It was a remark presented as a done deal. Anyone reading that article would think the UK had suddenly arranged a bunch of trade deals.

1andrew1 · 11-01-2018, 21:11

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Originally Posted by Damien

This wasn't really good or bad news. It was a remark presented as a done deal. Anyone reading that article would think the UK had suddenly arranged a bunch of trade deals.

I don't blame the readers (we all lead busy lives) but it's disappointing that The Sun is still publishing what is in effect fake news and people are believing it.

Dave42 · 11-01-2018, 21:28

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I don't blame the readers (we all lead busy lives) but it's disappointing that The Sun is still publishing what is in effect fake news and people are believing it.

you know that and truth don't go together right

1andrew1 · 11-01-2018, 22:49

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you know that and truth don't go together right

Hillsborough proved that to many people. But as we saw in post 1548, people are still being deceived by The Sun through no fault of their own.

**Mick** · 12-01-2018, 11:28

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you know that and truth don't go together right

Especially if it’s written in the guardian as well.....

Stuart · 12-01-2018, 11:41

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When the news is quoted from senior government figures that's usually factual enough even in the Sun.

Yes, and no.

Yes, Senior government figures are in the best position to report the facts on what the government is doing, but you have to remember that they may also be slightly desperate to make the government is doing something.

My reading of this is those countries have indicated an interest in talking about matching the existing agreements. That does not mean they have agreed to match the existing agreements, just that they want to talk about it.

That is not the same thing as keeping the existing agreements at all.

denphone · 12-01-2018, 11:44

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Originally Posted by Mick

Especially if it’s written in the guardian as well.....

And many others as one knows only too well..

**Mick** · 12-01-2018, 11:49

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And many others as one knows only too well..

Spot on, but as usual the lefties and over sensitive types, choose to be one sided as usual Den.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Yes, and no.

Yes, Senior government figures are in the best position to report the facts on what the government is doing, but you have to remember that they may also be slightly desperate to make the government is doing something.

My reading of this is those countries have indicated an interest in talking about matching the existing agreements. That does not mean they have agreed to match the existing agreements, just that they want to talk about it.

That is not the same thing as keeping the existing agreements at all.

Rubbish, you cannot have it both ways. A quote is a quote by a political figure FFS.

Stuart · 12-01-2018, 12:06

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Rubbish, you cannot have it both ways. A quote is a quote by a political figure FFS.

You apparently missed the point of my post.

I wasn't actually talking about any specific quote when I said "Yes and No". I was answering "When the news is quoted from senior government figures that's usually factual enough even in the Sun.". You can quote someone word for word, but if the facts they quote are not accurate or are misleading, the facts you quote will either not be accurate or will be misleading. The government frequently does this on all subjects.

**Mick** · 12-01-2018, 12:12

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You apparently missed the point of my post.

I wasn't actually talking about any specific quote when I said "Yes and No". I was answering "When the news is quoted from senior government figures that's usually factual enough even in the Sun.". You can quote someone word for word, but if the facts they quote are not accurate or are misleading, the facts you quote will either not be accurate or will be misleading. The government frequently does this on all subjects.

I missed no such thing. I got your post and I disagree because it’s lobsided rubbish. A quote is a quote.

**Damien** · 12-01-2018, 12:36

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I missed no such thing. I got your post and I disagree because it’s lobsided rubbish. A quote is a quote.

No one is disputing the quote. Just that a quote means we have trade deals already sorted, it doesn't. The bills need to be created and passed in their respective parliaments.

1andrew1 · 12-01-2018, 12:42

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I missed no such thing. I got your post and I disagree because it’s lobsided rubbish. A quote is a quote.

I think what he's saying is that chucking a random quote into an article doesn't make the rest of the article factually correct.

**Mick** · 12-01-2018, 13:08

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I think what he's saying is that chucking a random quote into an article doesn't make the rest of the article factually correct.

Sigh.

A quote is a quote!

How many more times do I have to repeat myself?

1andrew1 · 12-01-2018, 13:29

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Sigh.

A quote is a quote!

How many more times do I have to repeat myself?

That's not the question so why do you keep repeating yourself?
Are you saying that you can make a fake news article in The Sun correct by adding in a random quote?

**Mick** · 12-01-2018, 13:33

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That's not the question so why do you keep repeating yourself?
Are you saying that you can make a fake news article in The Sun correct by adding in a random quote?

4th time. A quote is a quote! It is not hard. Crikey is it a slow day on here or what ?