Government & Post Election Discussion

[1andrew1]

Yet another adviser resigns. To be fair, I'm surprised he's stayed on board for so long given he's a Labour Lord and the Government's propensity to keep kicking Heathrow into the long grass.

The government's infrastructure adviser has announced he is quitting his role with a furious attack on Theresa May's Brexit policy.
Lord Adonis said Brexit was a "populist and nationalist spasm" and accused the PM of "pursuing a course fraught with danger".
The former Labour transport secretary is a high-profile campaigner against Brexit.
He has chaired the National Infrastructure Commission since 2015.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42514117

[Osem]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Interesting, Den, that you think the ageing population, incresing immigration and Labour's economic legacy are all Jeremy Hunt's fault!

I certainly know what planet I'm on. Not sure about you, though!

Well if it's not Hunt it must be Thatcher...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Interesting, Den, that you think the ageing population, incresing immigration and Labour's economic legacy are all Jeremy Hunt's fault!

l never said they were Jeremy Hunts fault but you know that anyway OB but nevertheless he is a lying slippery toad as has been proved with his stewardship of the NHS but of course with your political blinkers being on permanently l am pretty sure you will deny that until you are blue in the face given your previous track record.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by denphone

l never said they were Jeremy Hunts fault but you know that anyway OB but nevertheless he is a lying slippery toad as has been proved with his stewardship of the NHS but of course with your political blinkers being on permanently l am pretty sure you will deny that until you are blue in the face given your previous track record.

Blue being the appropriate colour...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

l never said they were Jeremy Hunts fault but you know that anyway OB but nevertheless he is a lying slippery toad as has been proved with his stewardship of the NHS but of course with your political blinkers being on permanently l am pretty sure you will deny that until you are blue in the face given your previous track record.

Your post #939 and its links certainly implied that. If you did not mean to blame Jeremy Hunt, what exactly was the purpose of the post?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yet another adviser resigns. To be fair, I'm surprised he's stayed on board for so long given he's a Labour Lord and the Government's propensity to keep kicking Heathrow into the long grass.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42514117

Oh, so Brexit was a 'populist and nationalist spasm', was it? Another supporter of the EU attempting to rubbish the decision of the electorate.

Good riddance, I say. Let's get people on board who are going to proceed with an optimistic approach to our future outside of the dictatorial EU.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Your post #939 and its links certainly implied that. If you did not mean to blame Jeremy Hunt, what exactly was the purpose of the post?

You know exactly why l replied as you seem to have excused Jeremy Hunt from any of the almighty mess the NHS is currently in and that he's done nothing wrong with the NHS on his watch which frankly to put it bluntly is utterly laughable but then if you don't look at things from a objective non-partisan angle rather then through the colours of ones politics then you are never going to see that sadly.

To be fair Blair's Labour government are much to blame as Cameron/Osborne and this present government for the present state of the NHS. Hunt just hasn't made matters any better.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

To be fair Blair's Labour government are much to blame as Cameron/Osborne and this present government for the present state of the NHS. Hunt just hasn't made matters any better.

l am not excusing them either as they did a considerable bit of damage to the NHS as well.

[Carth]

I'd go back even farther, I can't really say when the rot started, but I'm sure I recall issues with bed shortages and ward closures back in the Thatcher years

. . in fact I'm going to blame all failures in public services on the strange fixation with statistics instead of common sense

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

l am not excusing them either as they did a considerable bit of damage to the NHS as well.

Hunt is entirely blame-free as he is a Conservative. Get with the programme, Den!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hunt is entirely blame-free as he is a Conservative. Get with the programme, Den!

I see you are carrying on Ed Miliband's tactic to 'weaponise the NHS'! This is a truly pathetic argument.

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Originally Posted by denphone

You know exactly why l replied as you seem to have excused Jeremy Hunt from any of the almighty mess the NHS is currently in and that he's done nothing wrong with the NHS on his watch which frankly to put it bluntly is utterly laughable but then if you don't look at things from a objective non-partisan angle rather then through the colours of ones politics then you are never going to see that sadly.

My point is, it's not 'Jeremy Hunt's mess'. He is not responsible for the elevated level of people using the NHS, for example.

The problems with the NHS are not altogether new and the current model is unsustainable. You do not acknowledge the way in which the NHS has been made less bureaucratic (with the abolition of the expensive Primary Care Trusts), the investment put in to train up new doctors (that will take a full decade from when this increase was implemented to come through), the changes that are being implemented to increase the hours of opening of doctor's surgeries, and so on.

Unfortunately, the NHS is so unwieldy that it takes forever to turn the ship around, but turn it will. And let's not forget that when the Coalition Government came to power, Labour said it would be reckless to put more money into the NHS.

So it might be worth a thought to consider what the state of the NHS would be now had Labour got in.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I see you are carrying on Ed Miliband's tactic to 'weaponise the NHS'! This is a truly pathetic argument.

In a democracy it's only right to hold the Government and its ministers to account for the performance of the NHS. It should not be off limits.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

My point is, it's not 'Jeremy Hunt's mess'. He is not responsible for the elevated level of people using the NHS, for example.

He is responsible for supply and if demand increases it's up to him to deliver short-term and long-term solutions to meet this demand.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

In a democracy it's only right to hold the Government and its ministers to account for the performance of the NHS. It should not be off limits.

That's true, but the Government is not responsible for the mess that is the NHS. It is trying to do something about it, which is morebthan Labour did when in power.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

My point is, it's not 'Jeremy Hunt's mess'. He is not responsible for the elevated level of people using the NHS, for example.

Rubbish as have you not heard of pre-planning OB but sadly Mr Hunt could not organise a piss up in a brewery as he is more adept at disappearing then he is at running the NHS.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He is responsible for supply and if demand increases it's up to him to deliver short-term and long-term solutions to meet this demand.

That's easy for you to say. Why did you not draw attention to Labour's deficiencies when it was in power?

As I said before, these are long term problems that will take time to resolve. Blaming the Conservatives for the state of the NHS is rather juvenile, being the convenient sound bite that it is.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Rubbish as have you not heard of pre-planning OB but sadly Mr Hunt could not organise a piss up in a brewery as he is more adept at disappearing then he is at running the NHS.

He inherited a mess, remember, and he is having to deal with a worsening situation in a post recession situation. You don't expect much, do you? As I said, Labour would not have done anything positive with the NHS.