Brexit discussion

[1andrew1]

Highly successful Conservative politician and businessman tells it how it is - Brexit will damage the UK more than Corbyn will. Good to see a courageous Conservative politician who is not afraid of putting country before party.

Tory peer Michael Heseltine believes Brexit will be so damaging that he would rather see a Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn than see Britain leave the European Union.
"We have survived Labour governments before. Their damage tends to be short-term and capable of rectification. Brexit is not short-term and is not easily capable of rectification. There will be those who question whether the short-term pain justifies the avoidance of the long-term disaster," he said.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/michae...brexit-2017-12

[Gavin78]

who cares what 1 person thinks 17.4m decided otherwise

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

who cares what 1 person thinks 17.4m decided otherwise

Don't we as a country have to try to bridge the deep divisions which are currently prevalent in this country or are you happy for the deep divisions to go on as they are?.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Highly successful Conservative politician and businessman tells it how it is - Brexit will damage the UK more than Corbyn will. Good to see a courageous Conservative politician who is not afraid of putting country before party.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/michae...brexit-2017-12

So an arch remoaner and Europhile posts something that chimes with your views?

Just more drivel.

Originally Posted by denphone

Don't we as a country have to try to bridge the deep divisions which are currently prevalent in this country or are you happy for the deep divisions to go on as they are?.

The division is being caused by people such as Hestletine, trying to undermine the Brexit process.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by Mick

The division is being caused by people such as Hestletine, trying to undermine the Brexit process.

I would be quite happy to support the government if I had any confidence that they have any clue as to what they actually want. But as we had referendum that hadn't a clue as to what either party stood for I suppose it makes sense to carry on in the dark.

[Gavin78]

There is 2 things people that want to stay in the EU for Trade and free travel.

Brexit voters want a better society all round I know what I voted for and it wasn't for certain Govs of certain nations that have dictated to others how they should go about their business.

We have shown one thing with the brexit process how controlling and vindictive the EU can be.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

There is 2 things people that want to stay in the EU for Trade and free travel.

Brexit voters want a better society all round I know what I voted for and it wasn't for certain Govs of certain nations that have dictated to others how they should go about their business.

We have shown one thing with the brexit process how controlling and vindictive the EU can be.

There will presumably be a trade agreement so that disposes of one thing. I've always had to pay my fare when I go abroad. You really mean free movement and the government has had the ability to control that but chose not to. Your argument is really with the UK government which has been quite happy to keep wages depressed (more profits for big business)

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

who cares what 1 person thinks 17.4m decided otherwise

So the other 48 million should be ignored ? (the 17 million is declining all the time too...)

Even though I don't agree with their politics, Heseltine and Ken Clarke are top blokes with experience of Govt. They know the damage Brexit is going to cause.

Originally Posted by Mr K

So the other 48 million should be ignored ? (the 17 million is declining all the time too...)

Even though I don't agree with their politics, Heseltine and Ken Clarke are top blokes with experience of Govt. They know the damage Brexit is going to cause.

Yes the other 48 million should be ignored, they had their chance to vote and decided not to for whatever reason, could not be arsed to vote or were not eligible for whatever reason. They cannot complain afterwards because the vote did not go their way. That is not how democracy works but then again, this is how much you disrespect it.

It is not going to cause anything but prosperity. You're continuing to highlight fearmongering based off fake studies, is getting boring.

You have absolutely no basis, or evidence to form any conclusion that the 17 Million is in decline.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

It is not going to cause anything but prosperity. You're continuing to highlight fearmongering based off fake studies, is getting boring.

You have absolutely no basis, or evidence to form any conclusion that the 17 Million is in decline.

lol Mick, whilst there's plenty of evidence to support Mr K's assertions (which he and others have readily supplied), I've seen nothing robust to state that the country will become more prosperous. We've already seen hikes in food prices; few will forget the infamous Brexit Toblerone!

That’s not evidence and no there has not been anything to assert Mr K’s posts at all.

Btw Product down sizing has been happening for years. Way before Brexit Referendum.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

That’s not evidence and no there has not been anything to assert Mr K’s posts at all.

Btw Product down sizing has been happening for years. Way before Brexit Referendum.

Of course resizing has been going on for years. But as Sky News informed us, it's only the UK that now gets the smaller version whilst our EU bretheren get to retain the full-sized bar.
Plenty of evidence in previous posts from the likes of Mr K and others to support his posts. But none from you to support the fact that the UK will be more prosperous post Brexit. Because no reputable evidence exists.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The rumour that l heard is that TM has already agreed to accept that the EU will have some control over the UK when we do eventually leave.

If l could have another vote tomorrow. Then l would change to remain. Its costing this country so much.

And Theresa May is three times worse than Thatcher. She wants her own way, and is determined to get it.

She will cave into what is demanded of her. And with that buffoon Boris. This country will slowly go down like a ship.

At the end of the day, this country needs trade with other countries. And l don't think she will get it until an agreement is made.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

That’s not evidence and no there has not been anything to assert Mr K’s posts at all.

Btw Product down sizing has been happening for years. Way before Brexit Referendum.

On that Mick l think we can agree for once.