Brexit discussion

Originally Posted by Mr K

The 'but' is in the same article old chap if either of you had bothered to fully read it. If things are so good now why screw it up?

It is not being screwed up. Leaving is the best course for the UK. Just because you want it to screw up, for your own selfish reasons, doesn't mean it will.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

It is not being screwed up. Leaving is the best course for the UK. Just because you want it to screw up, for your own selfish reasons, doesn't mean it will.

Why would I want the UK economy to screw up? I'm a UK citizen, it would equally affect me and my kids.
(Maybe you should fully read an article first before linking to it ?? If there are bits you don't like you could call it 'partial fake news' if it makes you happy )

Originally Posted by Mr K

Why would I want the UK economy to screw up? I'm a UK citizen, it would equally affect me and my kids.
(Maybe you should fully read an article first before linking to it ?? If their are bits you don't like you could call it 'partial fake news' if it makes you happy )

Because you keep banging the doom and gloom drum, everything you’ve said would happen right back to the days of the vote has not happened, in other words, you have been fundamentally wrong every time!

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

Because you keep banging the doom and gloom drum, everything you’ve said would happen right back to the days of the vote has not happened, in other words, you have been fundamentally wrong every time!

OK, let’s be positive. What benefits will Brexit give us? What will the man on the street, Joe Public, see from Brexit? How will they be better off? What’s your vision of a successful end point in 2019 or 2021?

I asked you before but I guess you were busy. Give us ‘remoaners’ a boost!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Because you keep banging the doom and gloom drum, everything you’ve said would happen right back to the days of the vote has not happened, in other words, you have been fundamentally wrong every time!

tbh Mick 'Project Fear' is starting to look like a nice dream ! At least we can sleep easy knowing the £350m a week for the NHS is coming ! Don't you find it slightly worrying that the Govt. are having to have a meeting between themselves this week to find out what they actually want from Brexit ?!???!! Even you must despair....

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's TheDaddy's and John's reasonable questions which have languished unanswered.

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I don't try and argue with every point that people make (contrary to popular belief but as you're seeking an answer on this one, the article was an interview with the EU's negotiator, not a commentary or analysis piece. It also states "In a blow to remain campaigners, Barnier contends that the UK would be unable to revoke article 50 unilaterally – a view at odds with the veteran British diplomat Lord Kerr, who wrote the famous treaty text and insists the UK can withdraw its decision to leave up until the last moment of departure. Asked whether the UK could unilaterally revoke article 50, Barnier said: “The clock is ticking. No changes in the process can be unilateral, they must be collective.”

I question why he's given this "interview" at all

Originally Posted by Mr K

So what you're saying Andrew that little will probably change at all and all this has been a complete utter waste of time and our money ! I'm utterly gobsmacked and surprised (not ) !

Politicians will look after their own skins first, and if that means keeping the country afloat all the better for us. Remainer Theresa is a genius. You can have Brexit; any similarities to the status quo are purely coincidental

I've been saying that for months, nothing will change for the vast majority of us except we'll all notice we're a bit poorer and tbh most of us can afford to be a bit poorer so even that won't impact the vast majority of that majority that much

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

OK, let’s be positive. What benefits will Brexit give us? What will the man on the street, Joe Public, see from Brexit? How will they be better off? What’s your vision of a successful end point in 2019 or 2021?

I asked you before but I guess you were busy. Give us ‘remoaners’ a boost!

I respect everyone's viewpoint and many of my friends voted differently from me last year but at least they voted. What I find disappointing sometimes on this forum is the overwhelming negativity from Leavers about the EU but no positivity and benefits from leaving it.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I question why he's given this "interview" at all

Presumably it's all part and parcel of the negotiations. Theresa May wrote in the Sunday Express and Sunday Telegraph. If he didn't, he would doubtless be accused of secrecy.

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I've mentioned the Irish issue before as I just can't see how being outside the customs union and a soft Irish border are compatible. Now some senior officials are pointing this out too.

A leading European Commission official says there is a danger of a "contradiction" at the heart of Britain's separation deal with the EU.
Pierre Moscovici said it was difficult to see how an open border could be kept on the island of Ireland if Britain did not stay in a customs union.
If Britain did agree to a customs union arrangement then the UK could be barred from signing free trade agreements with other countries, he told the BBC.
The UK would have to follow EU rules.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42403771

Some background on the issue here and why technology won't solve the Irish border issue. https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...s-are-limited/

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Why would I want the UK economy to screw up? I'm a UK citizen, it would equally affect me and my kids.
(Maybe you should fully read an article first before linking to it ?? If there are bits you don't like you could call it 'partial fake news' if it makes you happy )

Of course this must be fake as well Mr K.

https://www.itv.com/news/2017-12-20/...recast-brexit/

https://www.theguardian.com/business...wth-uk-economy

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Of course this must be fake as well Mr K.

https://www.itv.com/news/2017-12-20/...recast-brexit/

https://www.theguardian.com/business...wth-uk-economy

It's sad to read these articles - the UK economy could be performing so much better if people hadn't made the wrong decision last year and we could also send £3bn more to the NHS to save lives instead of paying it to fat cat London civil servants to come up with realms of paperwork for Brexit.

Originally Posted by Mick

Because you keep banging the doom and gloom drum, everything you’ve said would happen right back to the days of the vote has not happened, in other words, you have been fundamentally wrong every time!

I'm not sure about the esteemed Mr K's prophesies but interestingly, it looks like some of the economists were actually correct!

'The numbers that we are seeing the economy deliver today are actually proving the point we made a year and a half ago when people said you are too gloomy and you are one of those ‘experts',' Christine Lagarde says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8119886.html

[OLD BOY]

Well, after a brief hiatus while remainers got over the shock that we are actually proceeding to phase 2, all the nonsense is starting up again. Same old arguments, same old negativity from the remain brigade, never listening to the answers, just dredging up the same old rubbish and any old forecast that anticipates the end of the world.

Still they are not understanding the reason why we can't stay in the common market or customs union, (and why that would be contrary to the benefits of leaving the EU) despite these reasons being explained so many times.

Clearly, the brexiteers are communicating with people who do not want to know about all this and are determined to undermine the whole process to get their way, if they get the chance, blatantly ignoring the will of the electorate.

Clearly, all the positive information in the world is not going to change these minds, and so I think that's it for me. I'm out. See you all on the other side, after 2019!

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's sad to read these articles - the UK economy could be performing so much better if people hadn't made the wrong decision last year and we could also send £3bn more to the NHS to save lives instead of paying it to fat cat London civil servants to come up with realms of paperwork for Brexit.


I'm not sure about the esteemed Mr K's prophesies but interestingly, it looks like some of the economists were actually correct!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8119886.html

That's a rather arrogant statement. Who the heck are you to tell me if I was right or wrong?

I'll leave this thread until 2019 also.

[jonbxx]

Wahey, the sectorial reviews that exist or don’t exist are now out on the Government web site - http://www.parliament.uk/business/co.../publications/

So far, I have only read the one relevant to my work sector (life sciences) I hope there’s more than this as I could have knocked this up in a few days.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

That's a rather arrogant statement. Who the heck are you to tell me if I was right or wrong?

I'll leave this thread until 2019 also.

Hopefully you'll get over yourself a bit whilst you're gone, so what he thinks we made a mistake, I think we made a mistake not leaving near enough 20 years ago, big deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Hopefully you'll get over yourself a bit whilst you're gone, so what he thinks we made a mistake, I think we made a mistake not leaving near enough 20 years ago, big deal

Exactly. Ours are just opinions, no more, no less. If it's something factual I'll provide a link.
I think the whole purpose of forums is to exchange knowledge and opinions. In my experience, you learn more from those whose opinions differ from your own.

Well so far, I have learned my decision to vote leave was totally justified & the justification grows more every single day.