Brexit discussion - Page 93

pip08456 · 19-12-2017, 13:34

Keep grasping at straws Andrew.

1andrew1 · 19-12-2017, 13:56

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Keep grasping at straws Andrew.

Don't need them mate. Still plenty of years left under EU rules (till 2021). The Irish border issue should ensure close alignment in the years after that.

**Mick** · 19-12-2017, 14:00

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Don't need them mate. Still plenty of years left under EU rules (till 20121). The Irish border issue should ensure close alignment in the years after that.

Wow 20121?

I know you don’t want us to leave EU but I doubt the EU will be around then.

1andrew1 · 19-12-2017, 14:56

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Wow 20121?

I know you don’t want us to leave EU but I doubt the EU will be around then.

Ha ha. I doubt the UK will be around then either!
So, two years under EU regs until 2021 then close alignment after that if we're to keep our Irish friends happy. I'm not too worried but wish we were a rule-maker as we are now and not a rule-taker as we will be post march 2019. Hey ho!

pip08456 · 19-12-2017, 15:58

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Ha ha. I doubt the UK will be around then either!
So, two years under EU regs until 2021 then close alignment after that if we're to keep our Irish friends happy. I'm not too worried but wish we were a rule-maker as we are now and not a rule-taker as we will be post march 2019. Hey ho!

You're assuming we get a deal. The Tory rebels have successfully weakened the Governments negotiating position.

I would not be surprised if parliament is told "there's nothing for you to vote on as thanks to you we couldn't come to a good deal. No deal is better than a bad deal."

1andrew1 · 19-12-2017, 16:04

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Originally Posted by pip08456

You're assuming we get a deal. The Tory rebels have successfully weakened the Governments negotiating position.

I would not be surprised if parliament is told "there's nothing for you to vote on as thanks to you we couldn't come to a good deal. No deal is better than a bad deal."

Not even Boris pretends no deal is better than a deal.
And a hard Irish border is incompatible with no deal.

Mr K · 19-12-2017, 16:47

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Don't need them mate. Still plenty of years left under EU rules (till 2021). The Irish border issue should ensure close alignment in the years after that.

So what you're saying Andrew that little will probably change at all and all this has been a complete utter waste of time and our money ! I'm utterly gobsmacked and surprised (not ) !

Politicians will look after their own skins first, and if that means keeping the country afloat all the better for us. Remainer Theresa is a genius. You can have Brexit; any similarities to the status quo are purely coincidental

jonbxx · 19-12-2017, 17:24

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So what you're saying Andrew that little will probably change at all and all this has been a complete utter waste of time and our money ! I'm utterly gobsmacked and surprised (not ) !

Politicians will look after their own skins first, and if that means keeping the country afloat all the better for us. Remainer Theresa is a genius. You can have Brexit; any similarities to the status quo are purely coincidental

No no no, the Unitary Market, Union of Customs and European Justice Courts are completely different to what we have now

1andrew1 · 19-12-2017, 17:37

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No no no, the Unitary Market, Union of Customs and European Justice Courts are completely different to what we have now

We'll just follow other countries' rules without influencing them in our favour, as we do now!

**Mick** · 19-12-2017, 18:26

Tut tut...

Two Anti-Brexit Political groups fined for breaching rules during EU Referendum...

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The Liberal Democrats and an anti-Brexit group have both been fined for breaching campaign rules during the EU referendum.

The Electoral Commission has slapped two fines on the Liberal Democrats totalling £18,000 for breaching finance regulations following an investigation.

The party was found to have failed to deliver a complete and accurate spending return from last year's campaign, including failing to provide acceptable invoices or receipts for 80 payments totalling more than £80,000.

The Liberal Democrats, who also wrongly reported some payments, have until 3 January to pay the fine.

Meanwhile Open Britain, which was formed out of the official Remain campaign known as Britain Stronger in Europe, has coughed up £1,250 for reporting breaches and failing to provide some invoices.

Bob Posner, the Electoral Commission's director of political finance and regulation, said: "The reporting requirements for parties and campaigners at referendums and elections are clear, that's why it is disappointing that the Liberal Democrats didn't follow them correctly.

https://news.sky.com/story/liberal-d...aches-11177197

Osem · 19-12-2017, 18:41

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Denphone didn't mention left/right here. It's a problem across politics.

Jo Cox murder was so prevalent because it was the assassination of a sitting MP.

Carl Sargenant's inquest is still on-going IIRC and it's also complicated by the guidelines the media follows when reporting suicide.

I know he didn't. I mentioned it because there's a hell of a lot of nastiness on the left which some people (not Den BTW) seem either oblivious to or unwilling to accept. It seems some of that nastiness was evident in the way Mr Sargeant was treated and whilst he wasn't murdered he was driven to suicide.

**Mick** · 19-12-2017, 18:44

UK Tops Forbes best Countries for Business in 2018, and yes even despite Brexit!!!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad.../#10b8b80b26de

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After the United Kingdom narrowly voted last year to leave the European Union, predictions swirled that the British economy would collapse. Yes, the pound plummeted 9% versus the dollar the day after the surprise result and remains down, but the economy as a whole has held up relatively well. Gross domestic product grew 1.8% in 2016, a tick behind only Germany’s 1.9% growth among the Group of Seven industrialized nations. Economic growth has continued in 2017, home prices are up and unemployment has sunk to a 42-year low at 4.3%.

Remembers the totally inaccurate forecasts immediately following a leave result, "Market collapse", "Mass Unemployment", "World War 3", "Emergency Budget".

All turned out to be Fake News!

Osem · 19-12-2017, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Mick

UK Tops Forbes best Countries for Business in 2018, and yes even despite Brexit!!!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad.../#10b8b80b26de

Remembers the totally inaccurate forecasts immediately following a leave result, "Market collapse", "Mass Unemployment", "World War 3", "Emergency Budget".

All turned out to be Fake News!

Yeah but...

Mr K · 19-12-2017, 19:45

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Yeah but...

The 'but' is in the same article old chap if either of you had bothered to fully read it. If things are so good now why screw it up?

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Britain's reign as the top country could be brief as companies' plans for Brexit unfold. London might lose 10,000 banking jobs from Brexit, according to think tank Bruegel. Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Nomura and Standard Charter are moving their EU headquarters to Frankfurt with Paris and Dublin landing spots for other banks looking to ensure access to the single market.

pip08456 · 19-12-2017, 20:27

There was no but there Mr K, just a could.