Brexit discussion

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

Actually the deal text says if we don’t agree a deal we’ll maintain regulation with the EU? Overall pretty happy with the agreement.

So all the EU has to do is not agree to anything and we are still lumbered? Not sure where it says that.

[Mr K]

Haven't looked at the detail yet but Nigel 'swivel eyed' Farage says its 'not acceptable', so it must be a reasonable compromise !

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I haven’t heard them calling anyone who disagrees with them as traitors...

That's because Remainers are more reasonable and much nicer people Hugh

[nomadking]

What is in there that the EU wouldn't have agreed with long before now?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

What is in there that the EU wouldn't have agreed with long before now?

Credit to the chivalrous EU. It wins every negotiation but let's Theresa May talk as if she's won. I guess BoJo doesn't mind being sent to Iran as his red lines are zigzagged.

Originally Posted by nomadking

So all the EU has to do is not agree to anything and we are still lumbered? Not sure where it says that.

The wording on Ireland says that in the event the UK and EU can't come to a trade deal that we'll maintain regulatory alignment with the EU in order to avoid a hard border. We're essentially saying no hard border no matter what.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

The wording on Ireland says that in the event the UK and EU can't come to a trade deal that we'll maintain regulatory alignment with the EU in order to avoid a hard border. We're essentially saying no hard border no matter what.

It's basically kicking the tin can down the alley. The issue is the EU27 know what they want but the UK Cabinet has yet to thrash it out.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

The wording on Ireland says that in the event the UK and EU can't come to a trade deal that we'll maintain regulatory alignment with the EU in order to avoid a hard border. We're essentially saying no hard border no matter what.

Wonder if the DUP have actually read it this time ? Suspect they'll still cause trouble down the line whenever it suits them/ they want more money etc.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

The wording on Ireland says that in the event the UK and EU can't come to a trade deal that we'll maintain regulatory alignment with the EU in order to avoid a hard border. We're essentially saying no hard border no matter what.

So I'm right in that the EU and Ireland doesn't have to agree to any proposals and we are lumbered with their rules and regulations without having a say on anything. Everybody but the English gets a say. So much for Democracy.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So I'm right in that the EU and Ireland doesn't have to agree to any proposals and we are lumbered with their rules and regulations without having a say on anything. Everybody but the English gets a say. So much for Democracy.

yes, I can certainly see lots of eyes swivelling furiously this morning !

We've agreed to virtually everything the EU wanted. It's clear no deal is not an option for us, and they know it.

Originally Posted by nomadking

So I'm right in that the EU and Ireland doesn't have to agree to any proposals and we are lumbered with their rules and regulations without having a say on anything. Everybody but the English gets a say. So much for Democracy.

These are the terms agreed to by the democratically elected (albeit only just!) government of the UK. Also it's a failback in case negotiations fail because nobody wants a hard border in Ireland.

[nomadking]

What's the big deal about a hard border between NI and Ireland?

The democracy deficit is that the rules and regulations would be set by the EU. They could impose very restrictive rules and we would have to follow. Also we couldn't have our own rules, whether more or less restrictive in nature.

Being forced to remain in a customs union would also mean we CAN'T do trade deals with other countries and have to impose the same tariffs as the EU TELLS US TO.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nomadking

What's the big deal about a hard border between NI and Ireland?

Beyond the fact that the current, soft, border has gone a long way to contributing to around 20 years of peace?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

It’s a German politician’s view, swiftly dismissed by Merkel.

Hugh, there you go, bringing facts into a debate about the EU. You know how well that normally works.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

So now it’s truly the EU’s intention to create a Federal Europe, AKA, U.S.E : Martin Schulz Tweeted this intention to be carried out by 2025, any member state refusing this will automatically leave the EU. Guy Verhofstadt, Tweeted in agreement.

What a bunch of corrupted pricks. Thank goodness we are leaving.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...s-europe-2025/

More fake news, I'm afraid. I'm sorry you've been mislead again.

[heero_yuy]

Not just the German politician:

Mr Schulz’s vision for EU expansion mirrors plans set out by EU chief Jean Claude Juncker who has demanded a single EU President and Finance Minister and and EU army.

French President Emmanuel Macron has outlined simliar plans for massive EU centralisation.

Source

This is what remain could mean, not the status quo.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Beyond the fact that the current, soft, border has gone a long way to contributing to around 20 years of peace?

How? The reason for any previous "hard" border was the IRA. Strangely enough, it is the IRA insisting on a soft border. Why?

What peace? There is still constant threats of violence, ie end of the "peace process".