U.S President: Donald Trump - Page 177

**Damien** · 01-12-2017, 19:06

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Originally Posted by Mick

Flynn has been charged with lying to the FBI, which surmounts to Perjury charges, which is federal crime and comes with a stiff sentence of 5 years. He is said to have lied during a meeting with the Russian Ambassador, after the election, in December 2016, this cannot be connected to any 'collusion' implications, to get Trump elected, if Trump is already elected.

The charges don’t relate directly to any alleged collusion. He’s pleaded guilty though and received a deal in return for whatever he has on people higher up than himself.

Might be a while before we find out though. Clearly this investigation has a long way to go.

**Mick** · 01-12-2017, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Damien

Might be a while before we find out though. Clearly this investigation has a long way to go.

Exactly what I was thinking.

**Hugh** · 01-12-2017, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Osem

I think we all by now know how he reacts. It's no longer a surprise or a big story really.

Just because a person invariably reacts badly to critiques, doesn’t mean it should be ignored.

Ignoring this sort of behaviour legitimises it.

Should we ignore Jeremy Corbyn’s gaffes, just because he always does them?

1andrew1 · 01-12-2017, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Just because a person invariably reacts badly to critiques, doesn’t mean it should be ignored.

Ignoring this sort of behaviour legitimises it.

Should we ignore Jeremy Corbyn’s gaffes, just because he always does them?

I think we would be seeing a weblink to Order-Order just as soon as the story on Corbyn went live.

I think it's an important story about the relationship between the heads of the UK and US and on Trump's flaws.

**Mick** · 01-12-2017, 21:14

Latest Trump Tweet, nothing related to Flynn, more to do with Rex Tillerson...

New York Times reported yesterday that Rex Tillerson is about to be Ousted... Trump has just said otherwise...

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Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

The media has been speculating that I fired Rex Tillerson or that he would be leaving soon - FAKE NEWS! He’s not leaving and while we disagree on certain subjects, (I call the final shots) we work well together and America is highly respected again!
https://instagram.com/p/BcLCXDYgQed/

Osem · 01-12-2017, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Just because a person invariably reacts badly to critiques, doesn’t mean it should be ignored.

Ignoring this sort of behaviour legitimises it.

Should we ignore Jeremy Corbyn’s gaffes, just because he always does them?

I didn't say it should be ignored. I said it was ill advised but not a particularly big deal. May didn't ignore it and he replied as he always does. Nothing surprising there at all and there's no reason to turn it into some sort of major incident which is what certain sections of the media and Westminster would quite like.

1andrew1 · 01-12-2017, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Mick

Latest Trump Tweet, nothing related to Flynn, more to do with Rex Tillerson...

New York Times reported yesterday that Rex Tillerson is about to be Ousted... Trump has just said otherwise...

Wouldn't be surprised if Trump created the Tillerson story to distract from the Flynn situation.

**Mick** · 01-12-2017, 21:30

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Wouldn't be surprised if Trump created the Tillerson story to distract from the Flynn situation.

There is nothing to distract.

Meuller has nothing that I can see as of yet and these are very low level charges, with no implication or dirt on Trump.

The meeting Flynn had was in December with the Russian Ambassador, a month after Trump was elected, cannot collude to elect Trump when he was already elected.

**Damien** · 01-12-2017, 21:32

It's not Trump Flynn has information on, it's his son in law: Jared Kushner.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/936684102987714560

He's been largely suspected to be the most at risk in this investigation before, as well as Trump Jr.

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Originally Posted by Mick

There is nothing to distract.

Meuller has nothing that I can see as of yet and these are very low level charges, with no implication or dirt on Trump.

The meeting Flynn had was in December with the Russian Ambassador, a month after Trump was elected, cannot collude to elect Trump when he was already elected.

The charges are fine, it's the fact he's made a deal that's the problem for Trump (or his team).

**Mick** · 01-12-2017, 23:05

Buzzfeed are running with:

Kushner reportedly directed Flynn to call "every member" of the UN Security Council about an Israeli settlements resolution.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/...RK3#.br6nv63V8

**Hugh** · 02-12-2017, 09:41

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42205181

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US senators have passed a sweeping tax cuts bill, paving the way for Donald Trump's first big legislative victory.

The package would mark the biggest tax overhaul since the 1980s. It was passed by 51 votes to 49, after a series of amendments in a marathon session.

Democrats complained it only benefited the wealthy and big business.

The plan sees a sharp cut in corporation tax, but a Senate committee finding has warned it would add $1tn (£742bn) to the budget deficit.

**Mick** · 02-12-2017, 12:14

This talk in the BBC link says it will add $1tn to the National Debt, but it was totally fine for President Obama to increase it by about $4tn, in just 2 years in office and prior presidents significantly adding to the debt also, but I guess because it’s Trump, it’s extra bad. Pathetic hypocritical hysteria strikes again.

1andrew1 · 02-12-2017, 14:13

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Originally Posted by Mick

This talk in the BBC link says it will add $1tn to the National Debt, but it was totally fine for President Obama to increase it by about $4tn, in just 2 years in office and prior presidents significantly adding to the debt also, but I guess because it’s Trump, it’s extra bad. Pathetic hypocritical hysteria strikes again.

Whether that's true or not, just because one president does something ill-judged doesn't let him off the hook because a previous president did the same thing. That doesn't make sense.

There's also a cyclical nature to economies. So in good times like now, you would expect to start to pay off the national debt and increase it in the downturn like the global financial crisis of 2008.

Congratulations to Trump, though, on his first substantial legislative achievement.

**Hugh** · 02-12-2017, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Mick

This talk in the BBC link says it will add $1tn to the National Debt, but it was totally fine for President Obama to increase it by about $4tn, in just 2 years in office and prior presidents significantly adding to the debt also, but I guess because it’s Trump, it’s extra bad. Pathetic hypocritical hysteria strikes again.

I think it was noted because the Republican stance during the Election, and as a matter of record, on Debt and Deficit was to reduce them, and their first major piece of legislation will end up increasing both.

1andrew1 · 02-12-2017, 14:51

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I think it was noted because the Republican stance during the Election, and as a matter of record, on Debt and Deficit was to reduce them, and their first major piece of legislation will end up increasing both.

No, it must be a mainstream media conspiracy against Trump.